EVE General Discussion

so you need a tool who does the job for you? tzz

Hello Harry. Unlike social interaction, having to count sticks every day is not a good thing.

He's being sarcastic. He apparently puts the need to talk to people in order to form a fleet at one level with having to do a repetetive and stupid task over and over and over again.

You realise EVE is a game right? Designed for entertainment. There's nothing entertaining about flying around looking for towers, which is why if this change is here to stay, most people will just anchor small towers and be notified when they get attacked.

The real question is how will it work in the new POS system when you can put up a POS anywhere you want. Seems to me there's becoming less point in holding the actual named sov on a system, since you can effectively own it without that.

Sov is not entertainment and EVE as a whole isn't entertnment either when you try to play beyond what John Doe does. Running a proper corp or alliance definitely isn't entertainment either. EVE is hard, fulfilling work for those who see beyond the shallowness of fun and the stupidity it attracts.

So no, you're pretty much wrong with lots of evidence against you.

Ok, I'm willing to consider this possibility, although I don't see the evidence at this point.

However - You have to get something out of the "work" for it to be "fullfilling" - If pretty much everyone can do everything in a system, without the owner even getting notified - what does one get out of holding Sov? Can you explain that?

LOL, yes it is. It's a video game, it's not a career choice. Yes some people opt to put a lot of effort in and they enjoy the results of doing that, and it's still entertainment. Anyone that is playing this game while not enjoying it I sincerely pity, since they've obviously missed the point of games. You I pity anyway, since it seems hovering around the forums spewing hate on your little alt is the best you can get. You're the epitome of what is wrong with the EVE community.

The point I am trying to make is, that they don't. Anyone can grab a moneymoon, provided he has the military power to do it. No sov needed. Anyone can create ratting- or mining income in 0.0 - again: No sov needed. If one "owns" something, he can decide what happens to it. At this point, the sov system doesn't help with that - having sov only puts a flag on a system, but that doesn't mean one owns it. Of course, sov owners can prevent others from using the space through other means, but someone not owning sov can do that just as well.

Right now it seems, that sov is supposed to be an end in itself - for the rest of the game it doesn't really matter if one holds sov or not. PL seems to have gotten that a long time ago, NC. caught on to it recently as well. But for most people, working just for works sake just doesn't cut it. If self-flagellation is your thing, all the power to you, but I think you don't need Eve online to do that either.

But it does. Sov means more money, which means things like SRP and Burn ThatPlace. It's probably also an immersion-thing. Something that feeds your ego ("i'm in my own space i helped fight for/defend"). You need to ask someone who isn't a line-member about this, so asking here will not really give you a proper answer, because the forums are filled with peasants.

If you want to know why people deem it worth it, ask directors or leaders. They are the only ones who can give you proper perspectives about it. If sov wasn't worth it, no one would take it,


And I really like the WH comment above. Put that into perspective. There's hundreds of people in sov alliances, yet people can't bother looking for towers? WH groups are much smaller, they don't get to know either, yet they seem to be doing fine!

A tower notification seems easymode to me.


......... i'mma go throw my phone away soon.

I guess that was needed due to a game mechanic change.

With the new system you can own a station and get the benefits of an ihub's system indizes while not having the need to hold a tcu. The TCU's only purpose is to put up a flag and lower the pos fuel costs.

So which structure should be tied to pos notification system? TCU? IHUB? Station? all? only one?

For a long time posses have only 2 use cases ... logistic ones (staging point, safe spot, home) or industrial one (mining, building).

While it's bad for a sov holder to not knowing what somebody else is preparing (building a staging point for upcoming attacks) I like the idea of adding some fog-of-war again. While the sovereignty/campaign system is now completely public (ingame and via CREST) there should be other things in game that could provide some kind of surprise element.

In the upcoming month the sovereignty world and the way how the game is played will change dramatically. It's easy for an attacker to reinforce a structure (maybe for 60-90 minute on ADM 6) and then later watching the defender to work 1h+ to secure 10+ command nodes while the aggressor can watch, laugh and pick up the people trying to solo those nodes. And for this you don't even need staging posses ... you just have a cloaky guy watching him.

In this scenario, the notifications about new posses becomes irrelevant cause you've bigger problems. Only if you start living in a system or constellation you start caring about posses and moon goo. And with the new sov mechanic it's getting more unlike to hold and keep unrelevant systems you must maintain and secure. Every system that is not actively and has a low indexes will be a target for roaming gangs just to produce work for the owners ... and that's more work then somebodies POS that produces usually more work for the maintainer then the space holder.

anyway ... +1 for this removal