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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#2161 - 2015-07-15 19:58:14 UTC
In all justice I am forced to admit that so far the Aegis patch has not increased the PCU as much as was hoped.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2162 - 2015-07-15 19:58:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
For some reason those two, plus to an extend some others keep failing to understand that posters like you and I are calling for BALANCE. We understand that PVErs will PVP from time to time, and PVPrs will fund themselves with PVE. We understand the system works when people need to build things because people have destroyed things.

But yet they still come here and make claims that WE are the ones talking in absolutes... odd
While it may or may not be true that you are calling for balance, self serving players like Chunks are using your arguments to support their claims and making you look like you are calling for absolutes.

Without Chunks and her ilk using your arguments to try and pervert the game into WoW in space you would probably get a more friendly reception to your points.




I wonder what did you drink/inhale/inject as to make you think that I am calling for "WoW in space". Shocked

I am calling for MORE PvP in MORE ways, available to MORE players who are MORE involved with PvE.

I want EVE to be a dark gritty place where you blow a freighter and next thing you know about the victim are some thugs leaving the shadows of your CQ to play football with your kidneys. Twisted


PS: friends call me Ish.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2163 - 2015-07-15 20:03:57 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
In all justice I am forced to admit that so far the Aegis patch has not increased the PCU as much as was hoped.


Well, it's not weekend yet... What?

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Black Pedro
Mine.
#2164 - 2015-07-15 20:08:29 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
In all justice I am forced to admit that so far the Aegis patch has not increased the PCU as much as was hoped.


Well, it's not weekend yet... What?

Whoosh.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2165 - 2015-07-15 20:11:21 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
In all justice I am forced to admit that so far the Aegis patch has not increased the PCU as much as was hoped.


We can´t dismiss neither that maybe people are now so used to short release cyckle of patches/expansions, that it wont anymore get same reaction of "instant testing" as before...




Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

I wonder what did you drink/inhale/inject as to make you think that I am calling for "WoW in space". Shocked

I am calling for MORE PvP in MORE ways, available to MORE players who are MORE involved with PvE.
Twisted



Ok, not "WoW in space"...

Elite Dangerous? Star Citizen?

PvE already affects in null system statistics, as I understand. What more you want, as high sec is NPC (not based at PvP control)???
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#2166 - 2015-07-15 20:15:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Giaus Felix
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I wonder what did you drink/inhale/inject as to make you think that I am calling for "WoW in space". Shocked
He probably read some of your posts, no need to ingest any psychotropic substances to see the "truth" behind your words.

Quote:
I am calling for MORE PvP in MORE ways, available to MORE players who are MORE involved with PvE.
On the contrary, from all accounts you're calling for NPCs to do your PvP for you.

Quote:
I want EVE to be a dark gritty place where you blow a freighter and next thing you know about the victim are some thugs leaving the shadows of your CQ to play football with your kidneys. Twisted
For everybody but you, have you even read some of the nonsensical and ill thought out absurdities that you post?

Quote:
PS: friends call me Ish.
Hence you're known as Chunks on the forum. Twisted

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2167 - 2015-07-15 20:19:55 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I wonder what did you drink/inhale/inject as to make you think that I am calling for "WoW in space". Shocked
He probably read some of your posts, no need to ingest any psychotropic substances to see the "truth" behind your words.

Quote:
I am calling for MORE PvP in MORE ways, available to MORE players who are MORE involved with PvE.
On the contrary, from all accounts you're calling for NPCs to do your PvP for you.(...)


Ah, the thickness...

"Man, Chess is no PvP game. In chess, you let your Towers, Knights, Bishops, Pawns and Queen do your PvP for you!"

The thickness!!

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#2168 - 2015-07-15 20:29:07 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Giaus Felix wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
I wonder what did you drink/inhale/inject as to make you think that I am calling for "WoW in space". Shocked
He probably read some of your posts, no need to ingest any psychotropic substances to see the "truth" behind your words.

Quote:
I am calling for MORE PvP in MORE ways, available to MORE players who are MORE involved with PvE.
On the contrary, from all accounts you're calling for NPCs to do your PvP for you.(...)


Ah, the thickness...

"Man, Chess is no PvP game. In chess, you let your Towers, Knights, Bishops, Pawns and Queen do your PvP for you!"

The thickness!!
What a terrible analogy.

You are aware that in chess ALL of the pieces are controlled by the players?

On a side note; while they may be called Torre in spanish, in the english speaking world they're known as Rooks, not Towers.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#2169 - 2015-07-15 20:29:54 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Kicking people out as "low quality" because they don't immediately know what they've gotten themselves into is dumb.
Indeed.
However, sometimes sifting the newbies from the n00bs can be an arduous process. In some cases, they have played for years, you can sit down with them and go through a ship, module by module, they will agree with you even and then that "spehal snowfake" will go right back to losing fail fit after fail fit.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2170 - 2015-07-15 20:30:08 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


"Man, Chess is no PvP game. In chess, you let your Towers, Knights, Bishops, Pawns and Queen do your PvP for you!"




In Chess, you act different than in real life people and countries act.

They rather stay on their own side and not sacrifice even a solder.

Luckily.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#2171 - 2015-07-15 20:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The thickness!!
Do not worry. Some things can not affect you.
(In Chess, the player moves their own piece (ship) and kills the opponent's piece (ship). Only complete eegits would watch two AI playing for them as anything other than a demonstration on how to play).

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2172 - 2015-07-15 21:04:40 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
In all justice I am forced to admit that so far the Aegis patch has not increased the PCU as much as was hoped.


Well, it's not weekend yet... What?

Whoosh.


Heh, now not only do I not feel bad for having to have slept the past eight hours, I'm also laughing at the display of ignorance. Well done.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
0bama Barack Hussein
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2173 - 2015-07-15 21:14:59 UTC
I´m pretty much just laughing that Europe and Russia (for now) lost this day in EvE...

Somebody screwed in a major way. Hope EvE did not die, and they are just delaying on information.

This can´t do good for PCU numbers average, and soon we will hear "see last week average!".... Lol
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2174 - 2015-07-15 21:20:06 UTC
Like i say before it`s almost a dead game the trying to keep it up but the screwing it over and over again. Fixsing things than are not broken change things that not needing. And so on. List keep growing and growing. Better make it free to play or the fishing and paying there own bills out of there pockets. I dont mind. So long the game running. I can make profit for every less player that joins eve. more for me. Sad to say tbh.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2175 - 2015-07-15 21:25:26 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The thickness!!
Do not worry. Some things can not affect you.
(In Chess, the player moves their own piece (ship) and kills the opponent's piece (ship). Only complete eegits would watch two AI playing for them as anything other than a demonstration on how to play).


And you also don't get it.

A Knight doesn't physically destroy a Rook. Just removes it from the board as per the rules. It's not about a life bar vs another life bar, but about a rule: a piece landing on a square occupied by a piece of different color will remove that piece from the board.

Combat is the same, what is gone is the exchange of hitpoints.

So picture EVE:

My ship kills your ship (hitpoints versus hitpoints, life bar versus life bar).
My NPC kills your NPC (rule: a successful removal mission will remove a NPC unless the NPC is targetted by a successful rescue mission).
My ship kills your NPC. (rule: a succesful removal mission, et cetera)
My NPC kills your ship. (rule: a loaded NPC can discharge on an asset owned by another player unless that player can discharge a previously loaded NPC)

The means change, but the meaning is the same. It is PvP. And it generates PvE for those who don't care about PvP. And gives PvErs the means to oppose PvPrs by doing PvE.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2176 - 2015-07-15 21:29:20 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

The means change, but the meaning is the same. It is PvP.


No, it's not, because it's not a player doing the fighting. "player versus player", not "player vs invincible NPCs"

Quit asking for NPCs to do your job for you, and be a real player for once.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2177 - 2015-07-15 21:33:35 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
The thickness!!
Do not worry. Some things can not affect you.
(In Chess, the player moves their own piece (ship) and kills the opponent's piece (ship). Only complete eegits would watch two AI playing for them as anything other than a demonstration on how to play).


And you also don't get it.

A Knight doesn't physically destroy a Rook. Just removes it from the board as per the rules. It's not about a life bar vs another life bar, but about a rule: a piece landing on a square occupied by a piece of different color will remove that piece from the board.

Combat is the same, what is gone is the exchange of hitpoints.

So picture EVE:

My ship kills your ship (hitpoints versus hitpoints, life bar versus life bar).
My NPC kills your NPC (rule: a successful removal mission will remove a NPC unless the NPC is targetted by a successful rescue mission).
My ship kills your NPC. (rule: a succesful removal mission, et cetera)
My NPC kills your ship. (rule: a loaded NPC can discharge on an asset owned by another player unless that player can discharge a previously loaded NPC)

The means change, but the meaning is the same. It is PvP. And it generates PvE for those who don't care about PvP. And gives PvErs the means to oppose PvPrs by doing PvE.
I can't stop laughing LolLolLolLol
This is just gold and it's not even trolling! LolLolLolLol

I can't believe I'm reading this! LolLolLolLolLolLolLol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2178 - 2015-07-15 21:38:32 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
In all justice I am forced to admit that so far the Aegis patch has not increased the PCU as much as was hoped.


Well, it's not weekend yet... What?

Whoosh.


In other news, Ishtanchuk Fazmarai, who uses to log in around 21:00, didn't know at 19:30 that Tranquility was down. Speculation on the causes imply lack of omniscience, clairvoyance or time travel. Some reports point that Ms. Fazmarai may start by reading the forum threads pointed by "likes", and thus didn't read the thread about the server outage until after she had answered those threads.

All of which evidences that Ms. Fazmarai is a terrible person. Cry

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2179 - 2015-07-15 21:39:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

The means change, but the meaning is the same. It is PvP.


No, it's not, because it's not a player doing the fighting. "player versus player", not "player vs invincible NPCs"

Quit asking for NPCs to do your job for you, and be a real player for once.

Looks like Chunks needs to do one of two things
  • Stop taking the meds, they're giving her delusions
  • Start taking the meds, to stop the delusions.

    • In no way is that PvP, it's PvE.

    In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

    New Player FAQ

    Feyd's Survival Pack
    Kaarous Aldurald
    Black Hydra Consortium.
    #2180 - 2015-07-15 21:40:40 UTC
    Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

    In other news, Ishtanchuk Fazmarai, who uses to log in around 21:00, didn't know at 19:30 that Tranquility was down.


    It's okay, you can just say that you don't bother reading stickies, we already know.

    "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

    One of ours, ten of theirs.

    Best Meltdown Ever.