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The Shrinking Sandbox - Eve by numbers

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#2201 - 2015-07-16 13:16:12 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ddo you think i'm stupid? t.
Yes.
However, let me rephrase it then.
You want NPC police to hold the arms of players that attack anyone else so you can punch them in the guts, possibly for revenge ... because you can't make friends?

It is an absurd notion. Every little carebear would use it until no one attacked. This is worse than simply asking that all aggressive actions against other players in High Sec be disabled.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2202 - 2015-07-16 13:36:49 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ddo you think i'm stupid? t.
Yes.
However, let me rephrase it then.
You want NPC police to hold the arms of players that attack anyone else so you can punch them in the guts, possibly for revenge ... because you can't make friends?

It is an absurd notion. Every little carebear would use it until no one attacked. This is worse than simply asking that all aggressive actions against other players in High Sec be disabled.


And then I said too that the target could have his own I-NPC ready to released him on the spot. I gave a pretty detailed explanation, why are you asking things already covered in it? What?

And before you say "but then everybody would NPC"... No. People still don't do what is needed to be safer from PvP. I-NPCs would be the same.

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Giaus Felix
Doomheim
#2203 - 2015-07-16 13:41:45 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Do you think i'm stupid?
All available evidence certainly points in that direction.

Quote:
As I already said, the targeted player must have agressed the attacker. FAI, a valid kill right should be active in order to use that function on a player.
You can already shoot at someone with a valid killright, why do you need an omniscient NPC to hold your hand while you do it? That's what friends are for, try making some.

Quote:
I-NPCs would be used to follow on PvP, not to start it.
PvP is your job, not an NPC's.

I came for the spaceships, I stayed for the tears.

Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#2204 - 2015-07-16 14:00:08 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
PvP is your job, not an NPC's.


At the end of all this, the above quote reveals the underlying motivation behind the idea. There will always be people who want someone or something else to shoulder a burden that is actually their own responsibility, it's a part of their world view.

Earlier in this thread I describe several ways in which I have personally used NPCs as tools to protect myself from PVPrs. I didn't invent those ways, i learned them from others. My favorite is using warp core stabs to bypass the scramming rats in the 1st rooms of the guristas 10/10, turning the guristas into Guards for my carebering lol.

The originator of the "iNPC" BS idea has never once lifted a finger to try to do any of these things but rather spends a lot of time asking CCP to do it for him. It's not unlike how the people who complain loudest about dropping CPU numbers are too busy asking CCP for game changes rather than spending that time training and recruiting new players to the game. It's just the way they are, using existing tools 1st before asking for new stuff is just not how they think,.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#2205 - 2015-07-16 14:04:09 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... it's a part of their world view. ....
Are you capable of getting out of your pseudo-psychologist's chair? You do grow so very repetitive and tiresome.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

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EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2206 - 2015-07-16 14:04:30 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Earlier in this thread I describe several ways in which I have personally used NPCs as tools to protect myself from PVPrs. I didn't invent those ways, i learned them from others. My favorite is using warp core stabs to bypass the scramming rats in the 1st rooms of the guristas 10/10, turning the guristas into Guards for my carebering lol.
There's nothing wrong with using existing mechanics to your advantage, I'm guilty of deliberately popping triggers and dropping Elite Cruiser spawns and the like on people who enter whatever deadspace I'm plundering at the time.

Asking for additional mechanics that are overly complicated, ill conceived and pretty much valueless is what I object to.

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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners
Already Replaced.
#2207 - 2015-07-16 14:13:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... it's a part of their world view. ....
Are you capable of getting out of your pseudo-psychologist's chair? You do grow so very repetitive and tiresome.


No one is forcing you to read anything I post.
Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2208 - 2015-07-16 14:16:22 UTC
I now have my ganking char free to spawn CONCORD everywhere I want and then some! Lol

In before the myth that this isn't allowed!

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Jenshae Chiroptera
#2209 - 2015-07-16 14:16:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
... No one is forcing you to read anything I post.
I hold out for the times that you blindly find a kernel but the crowing can be irksome.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2210 - 2015-07-16 14:19:43 UTC
Giaus Felix wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Do you think i'm stupid?
All available evidence certainly points in that direction.

Quote:
As I already said, the targeted player must have agressed the attacker. FAI, a valid kill right should be active in order to use that function on a player.
You can already shoot at someone with a valid killright, why do you need an omniscient NPC to hold your hand while you do it? That's what friends are for, try making some.

Quote:
I-NPCs would be used to follow on PvP, not to start it.
PvP is your job, not an NPC's.

Tbh I'd not call it stupid. She's just a horrible person and the narcissism will prevent her ever from seeing wtf is wrong with her worldview. A completely wacko, narcissistic psychopath! Stupid? I doubt it. Big smile

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2211 - 2015-07-16 14:21:34 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Ddo you think i'm stupid?


I don't think that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2212 - 2015-07-16 14:56:50 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Tbh I'd not call it stupid. She's just a horrible person and the narcissism will prevent her ever from seeing wtf is wrong with her worldview. A completely wacko, narcissistic psychopath! Stupid? I doubt it. Big smile
Being intelligent and stupid aren't mutually exclusive P

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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2213 - 2015-07-16 15:30:57 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Tbh I'd not call it stupid. She's just a horrible person and the narcissism will prevent her ever from seeing wtf is wrong with her worldview. A completely wacko, narcissistic psychopath! Stupid? I doubt it. Big smile
Being intelligent and stupid aren't mutually exclusive P

It's all about the ego here, really. Most people never get even a glimpse beyond it and their brains are completely stuck with all the patterns they have learned over their lifetime, even defending them childishly with "That's who I am". So we now live in a world full of people that lacks education about how they actually work, while everyone believes he know's what he's doing.

The best part about this is the gigantic amount of manipulatable victims running around, because of this. Lol

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Jenshae Chiroptera
#2214 - 2015-07-16 17:13:31 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
...So we now live in a world full of people that lacks education about how they actually work, while everyone believes he know's what he's doing. ...
... and remember! Do not offend anyone! They might unsubscribe.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2215 - 2015-07-16 17:35:14 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
...So we now live in a world full of people that lacks education about how they actually work, while everyone believes he know's what he's doing. ...
... and remember! Do not offend anyone! They might unsubscribe.

Did you hear about these laws in the USA?

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE

Jenshae Chiroptera
#2216 - 2015-07-16 18:13:37 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
... Did you hear about these laws in the USA?
It is illegal to offend anyone in the UK now. I laughed when it was proposed, thought it would never go through.
What sort of idiots are making laws that are based on subjective measures? Laws need to be black and white. You were speeding or you were not. You killed them or you did not. "Well, I find the tone of pink used in his shirt highly offensive because I had a teacher once that wore a scarf that colour."

It does speak to a certain "mental climate" that is pervading the world. EVE might have to dumb down so that it can attract spoilt brats and shore up numbers for the sake of keeping the company going. What?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2217 - 2015-07-16 18:30:22 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
It is illegal to offend anyone in the UK now.
It is? Someone should tell the government that, they offend at least 50% of the population by even existing, more so in the case of smarmy twats like IDS.

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Marsha Mallow
#2218 - 2015-07-16 18:42:47 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Ddo you think i'm stupid? t.
Yes.

Thread delivers. WTB new keyboard.
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Been thinking about this for a while;
~snip~
Thoughts?
(aside from sounds dumb, etc)

Caps and supers need a review, yup. It's not dumb to talk about, but I wouldn't bother in this thread. I know you are trying to keep this discussion going but your suggestions are a little off-topic and will probably just get buried. Have a look here and write something up perhaps? I always hoped Valkyrie would tie into deployable fighters but sounds like it's not viable at the moment. Last time I saw devs commenting on repurposing supers they mentioned making them ongrid boosters. The super pilots I've spoken to seem receptive to the idea, some are training leadership skills on them now just in case.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
It is illegal to offend anyone in the UK now.

It's also illegal to eat mince pies on Christmas day in England.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2219 - 2015-07-16 19:31:23 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
It's also illegal to eat mince pies on Christmas day in England.
Legally we can still shoot the Welsh and Scottish with a longbow if they're in certain locations on certain days.

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#2220 - 2015-07-16 19:58:53 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
... it's a part of their world view. ....
Are you capable of getting out of your pseudo-psychologist's chair? You do grow so very repetitive and tiresome.


Just ignore her, you won't miss anything of value. Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you