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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#21 - 2015-07-15 17:45:11 UTC
reduction from 52% to 38% absolutely doesnt reflect my experience.
While I was finding 10 C5 entrys pre-patch, I even struggle to find 1 post-patch.
Methea Selenis
Dead Game.
HYDRA RELOADED
#22 - 2015-07-15 18:15:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Methea Selenis
Jack Hayson wrote:


Not sure if they changed something this Tuesday. Ratio yesterday was 11%, but the sample size is way too small to draw any conclusions from that.

Note: I don't log the type of the connection, meaning static null holes and the occasional null-null are included in this data set.


I believe the change happened just yesterday and not on 7th, at least for N432 worms in null. 11% seems even to high compared with my experience.
Arden Bastilla
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2015-07-15 19:17:43 UTC
I know in our C5 w/C4 we regularly had 2-4 NS every day. Yesterday when I logged we had 0 null, 4 C4 (one was static), C5, and LS for our current connections.

It sounds like their algorithms for spawning are a bit skewed now compared to before. I imaged a C5/C6 should have anywhere from 1-3 additional WH connections on avg not including the static(s). I wouldn't be surprised to see 1 NS every day on avg.
Dark Armata
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2015-07-15 19:38:50 UTC
Previously during rage roll/scanning you basically couldn't find a C5 without one or more null sec connections.

I will get some numbers from our next session, but from the couple sessions so far it was about 1 null per 5 (with most of those being EOL).

W-Space IS Best Space
Sleepaz Den
Artificial Memories
#25 - 2015-07-15 19:40:15 UTC
I'm wondering how the change was executed. If they did some magic to adjust all current connections to new standards, wouldn't wonder if the K162s got affected somewhat somehow aswell, like closing/resetting timer to 16h and most exits are down (again).

Server changes or whatever and suddenly your outgoing has not begun its cycle sounds famliar.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2015-07-15 19:43:38 UTC
f*ck I'm bored...
(orange line is 7 day rolling average)

random stuff is random Roll
Necharo Rackham
The Red Circle Inc.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#27 - 2015-07-15 20:56:46 UTC
Confirmed that we have also been seeing similar effects re a paucity of nulls.

Axloth Okiah wrote:

Dont kid yourself, noone will read this, nothing will get reverted, but it would be nice to have a bigger picture and a representative sample of the pit of **** we got thrown into (again).


So much for gradual change and 'keeping an eye on statistics'.
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#28 - 2015-07-15 20:58:07 UTC
Here is a very quick data dump from Tripwire: http://puu.sh/j0vVU/b98997a5fd.png

This is the # of signatures added with one end being one of the following:
'K346','K329','E545','C248','S199','V283','Z142','Z060'

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#29 - 2015-07-15 21:08:03 UTC
look specifically after Z142 and N432.
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2015-07-15 21:14:17 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
look specifically after Z142 and N432.


much more drastic of a difference: http://puu.sh/j0xfd/a5cbf68004.png

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Ilaister
Binary Aesthetics
#31 - 2015-07-15 21:14:34 UTC
These datasets only picking up 'C5 w/any null' or you pulling 'C5a w/null 1-2-3' 'C5b w/null 1' etc?

Caldera, the K162s are relavant too, no?

~40% seems surprisingly high.
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-07-15 21:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Daimian Mercer
Ilaister wrote:
These datasets only picking up 'C5 w/any null' or you pulling 'C5a w/null 1-2-3' 'C5b w/null 1' etc?

Caldera, the K162s are relavant too, no?

~40% seems surprisingly high.


I am pulling them by wormhole type and only when added. So it is not counting signatures that were later updated with one of those wormhole types. Also isn't counting signatures that have a "Leads To" of "Null-Sec" and requires the wormhole type to be one of those types mentioned.

I can pull more complex data if requested - just takes me longer to write the queries

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#33 - 2015-07-15 21:41:11 UTC
It would be good to see more thorough data. The numbers aren't convincing.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Jack Hayson
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2015-07-15 21:42:25 UTC
Weird.
Is that the data of all tripwire users combined?
Those numbers appear to be extremely low... or is that because most people update the type later? (tbh. I've never really used Tripwire, so no clue how that part works)

As a side note: just the number of null connections going down doesn't say very much without the number of corresponding (high class) wormhole systems. With such a small number of holes it could be just one active scanner going on vacation.
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-07-15 21:46:53 UTC
Jack Hayson wrote:
Weird.
Is that the data of all tripwire users combined?
Those numbers appear to be extremely low... or is that because most people update the type later? (tbh. I've never really used Tripwire, so no clue how that part works)

As a side note: just the number of null connections going down doesn't say very much without the number of corresponding (high class) wormhole systems. With such a small number of holes it could be just one active scanner going on vacation.


It is for all Tripwire users.

I can get more specific data - just come up with what you want me to query and I'll get you guys the stats.

Creator of Tripwire mapping tool - EVE-O thread

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#36 - 2015-07-15 22:05:02 UTC
Ideally just Z142, V283, C248, K329 because the statics aren’t relevant. If possible include the sigs which were updated later – the numbers shown above are too low to be meaningful and is probably due to the majority not being correctly entered up front.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-07-15 22:19:07 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Ideally just Z142, V283, C248, K329 because the statics aren’t relevant. If possible include the sigs which were updated later – the numbers shown above are too low to be meaningful and is probably due to the majority not being correctly entered up front.


As requested: http://puu.sh/j0BEp/e5c1618191.png

includes sigs that were eventually updated to one of those wormhole types

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Methea Selenis
Dead Game.
HYDRA RELOADED
#38 - 2015-07-15 22:27:21 UTC
Wow, that's really low. Probably we will notice something significant with high enough numbers if we could just see the number of worms with at least one null sec side entered per day. NS to C5 was pretty much the two-third of it. Can you group by space type or only by worm type?
By the way I'm dreaming of a feature for tripwire : be able to enter just a space type/class for destination (HS, LS, NS, WHC1-3, WHC4-5, WHC6) without name. It would be even more shiny with a color code like on the eve-scout site.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
#39 - 2015-07-15 22:30:10 UTC
Surely this is not related to nullseccers not scanning down wormholes as their day to day life now is exactly the same as it was before patch.... .... .... ..... ... ...

~Bringer of happiness

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Daimian Mercer
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2015-07-15 22:32:10 UTC
Methea Selenis wrote:
Wow, that's really low. Probably we will notice something significant with high enough numbers if we could just see the number of worms with at least one null sec side entered per day. NS to C5 was pretty much the two-third of it. Can you group by space type or only by worm type?
By the way I'm dreaming of a feature for tripwire : be able to enter just a space type/class for destination (HS, LS, NS, WHC1-3, WHC4-5, WHC6) without name. It would be even more shiny with a color code like on the eve-scout site.


I could match the entered wormhole system to the class but that assumes everyone in the previous data pull also updated the signature with a legit system also otherwise you would lose data.

I like your suggestions - something like that is already in the works.. just need to find time to finish it all up.

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