EVE General Discussion

So what you want is really just more of the same kinds of missions that already exist, which is then somehow new PvE?

Seems a rather bland approach to me, but that may be because I see all PvE as bland and uninteresting.

At the moment, from what I read from your post, it doesn't seem that the missions would be new at all, just more of essentially the same thing, only providing some different types of rewards; but which would also require a huge departure from existing systems.

On top of that, with the only difference being about the rewards for completing missions, those rewards are way OP. You are essentially wanting mechanics that prevent another player from playing the game at all for a set period of time, not through choice of theirs, but through mechanics. That is a pretty screwed up outcome. No one should be prevented from playing the game by the mechanics.

But that could just be the way I read it.

No, that's about how I read it too, although I was characteristically less kind about it.

It's just another variation of the "Gankerz should go to jail!" whine that has been around forever.

You want the "opposition" to get better tools to learn how to be an actual opposition? That's fine, but CCP isn't needed for that. What am I missing here?

And of course the end goal of every irredeemable carebear, the ability to have their cake and eat it too, while merriy plunking away shooting red crosses in complete safety.

Yes, Chunks, if you want to negatively effect other people directly, you might have to move an iota outside of your silly little niche.

Information a newbie will know when they need it and before they quit.
Many people don't know how the Fit button and Market Quickbar work.

lots of ppl blaming other ppl.

just try to discuss without going ad hominem.
seems really difficult for gd.

i would like even silly or outraging ideas for brainstorming.
more pve does not turn eve into a theme park, nor does beginnerprotection.
AND i would like some good pvp ideas, not the squealing kind.

Indeed, not only PvE but also PvP could have more variation...

Lets see what we have now...

1. (a bit boring) gate/wh camps, would count station games in this gategory too

2. Big F1 hitting fights with a (potentially huge) lag (atleast until now, what comes with new sov system and "big fights" remains to be seen)

3. Suprising and killing miners, explorers and missioners in high/low/null sec (haulers too, but guess they go to gate camps mostly)

4. Roaming gangs in low/null, possibly with cyno

5. Professional wardecking on purpose of "griefing" (destroying high sec POS´s and so on), with either certain target in mind or just randomly looking around for victims

6. Factional Warfare militia vs. militia (time spent with timers or fighting non-militia members mostly)

7. New (entosis fights around) timer based sov mechanics in few days when new sov starts, similar to FW but there is only 4 hour window daily to do it




Did I miss anything?

With the kind of world view that psoter displays, you know that is impossible. Their limitation is internal, nothing external (like the wisdom of others) will ever have an effect.

What he wants already exists. For example, if you use a Mobil depot to fit warp core stabs and know which gates to take in "The MAZE" (Guristas DED 10/10) you can bypass the 1st 4 rooms easily and just kill the station in the 5th. This means that any one who wants to kill you have to fly through 4 rooms of killer dps and scrams to get at you. several times I've done this only to see play ship wrecks on d-scan lol. I used PVE to protect me from PVP.

You can do the same with some missions if you have the right key in your ship, and in low and null you can do it with gate and belt sansha incursion npcs if you know what you are doing. I have intentionally run through low sec incursions to shake off people who were chasing me. Hell, you can do it in null anomalies by planting a bubble on the anom beacon and MJDing away, gankers who warp at range to that anom get pulled in, way away from you, and you get to warp out safely.

This ALOD guy almost pulled it off with lvl 5 missions.

If you are the kind of person with a compatible worldview, you can already use PVE to PVP people. This is why the Istanchuks of the game will never do it, their worldview is based on the idea that someone owes them something therefore it's someone else who should make things happen for them.

Not what I said. I'm sure you are perfectly capable of figuring it out yourself, though you have no need.

Yeah, you see all those graphs about user numbers dropping, the financials where CCP laid off half their employees and moved to smaller offices. Yep, that is the attitude, and probably the largest contributor to our decline.

Superiority complex of the veteran gamer.

PS. When they overhauled the UI over the course of my decade of playing this game, it had taken many people a good amount of time to find the locations or memorize the new icons. People aren't useless because they were just handed a Globe and told to plot a course from their location to Hong Kong using nothing but highspeed rail. People are useless when you segment them and disenfranchise them into a group that you are not willing to help because you think you are better then they are.