Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I don't think that even giving a nooby 470 million skillpoints will help them after the first tutorials. They might be ready to fit everything right away and fly all ships but they will die horribly in anything they sit it.

Sitting in a boat is not flying and as long as you don't explain the skill system in much more depth and with examples, new players are going to leave.

Waiting for a skill barrier to have fun?

I had a blast figuring out what kind of ships can do what or the x module had y prequesites and it'll take z minutes to train or buy the book first (because Aura forgot to tell me that completing a mission for the agent is mandatory, not optional..).

And my line of thinking was that everyone else had to do it too, so I am no different than anyone else nor do I deseve any kind of special treament.

The tutorial should do a much better and coicidentely a longer job of explaining the skill system and that it is the most important thing from now on until the end of time.
Make a few examples and give out civilian modules that have for the sake of the tutorial the same prequesties as a tech 1 modules of the same kind but you can fit on your Rookie boat.
Then open the modules prequesites tab and make a gigantic neon sign on the prequesites tab -> dat here is important, do not forget to look here, regardless of modules, ship, drone, or exotic dancer.

Let the first example be a civilian afterburner with the requirement navigation I, engineering I and afternurner I and then let Aura open your character tab and place the skillpoints to there, hell remove all skills from the sheet until Aura explains the skill system based on your bloodline.
By clicking some choices and the examples, Aura put the base skills in your sheet while you are forced to look at those. When you see your first book in your empty bookshelf it is as if you just leveld up.

Repeat with frigate I, turret I, drone I (depending on your starting character).

Make the noob read all the information on the skillbook so that he can only continue after that and tell him right away that you do not need to train all to V right away since that would take ~17 years.

Make them accept the missions of the agents and award them a core skillbook everytime they dock in the right place.

Amarr may need to know that laser turrets will hurt their capacitor but only in the higher ship classes.

Noobs always want to fly bigger ships, as in bigger = better(erer). Let Aura tell them a frigate is very important shipclass and there are always needs for good frigate pilots.

People that do not want to learn are not a good fit for EVE anyways.

Hello
If you intend on removing learning implants can you please reimburse my past 2 years of my min/maxing attributes, denying myself the instant gratification skills in favour of adhering to the long term skill plan and risk management of +4/5 pods in wormhole/nullsec along with all the missed opportunities when the risk is literally too great for my +4/5 pods.
Thanks in advance.

Seeing how most attribute implants come from mission LP stores, I'd suggest replacing them with generic faction implants. Think like the CA implant set. Or maybe even just use the CA set. Purhaps split it into teirs, low - medium - high grade. With the current set being the high grade.

Conversion could go like this:
+5s = high grade
+4s and +3s = med grade,
+2s and +1s = low grade

From there I'd change the pirate implants to be blueprints to build from PI because they wont have any base stats with these implants (attributes).

Or you could just remove the implant requirement from the LP store as I don't think the pirate implant market puts that much pressure on the demand of the attribute implants.

You would wind up destroying the game by doing that. Character builds wouldn't matter. Character history wouldn't matter, character trade wouldn't matter. The reputation of a character wouldn't matter.

You'd see Industry alts turn instantly into titan pilots, you'd see miners turn into pew machines. You'd have people complaining how they screwed up their skill remap and beg for another.

That would be the biggest can of worms CCP could ever do. They'd wreck every doctrine, every character and player would be crying how they screwed up their skills, how their training and time investment is now worthless, how their characters definition and life meant nothing.

Swarms of people would max train into the current flavor of the month, and when it gets changed, huge outcry's from people about how CCP nerfed their skill retrain, how CCP trolled them, and that they deserve another or they'll quit.

It basically turns eve into what EQ2 and WOW did. Buy a instant level 90. The entry into eve for all newbies will be "Buy a character off bazaar if you want to play". New Players will feel even more disenfranchised that in order for them to compete on any level, they have to buy a character with a remap.

You want to see Eve die in a ball of fire. Do that.

But apart from that, what could be the harm?

Here's an idea for repurposing attribute implants: make them work as hardwiring implant amplifiers.
There are 5 attribute implant slots and 5 hardwiring implant slots, so a +1 perception implant (slot 1) would give a 10% bonus to the effects of slot 6 hardwirings, while a +5 Willpower implant (slot 3) would give a 50% bonus to the effects of slot 8 hardwirings.
Alternatively, you could have the +5 implants give a 10% bonus to their respective hardwiring slots and a 5% bonus to all other hardwiring slots (+1 implants would have 2% and 1% bonuses). Compared to the first one, this idea would provide incentive to buy multiple attribute enhancing/amplifying implants and would result in a lower total increase in implant bonuses.

This idea seems like a good one to me, as it wouldn't affect the bonuses of existing pirate implants (which are already considered overpowered by many people) and would provide a decent cost to benefit ratio for using those implants which would ensure that players which produce and trade in them are not damaged in any way.
I'd appreciate any thoughts on this idea.

Link some of the extra SPs to the Opportunities system and weight the rewards to encourage the more important activities. eg few points for using autopilot or speaking in local but good rewards for joining a player corp or shooting another player.

^^^ This, all day.

Sure, I can do something else while I train Jovian Titan to X. I have 70M skillpoints and billions of ISK in ship hulls and fittings. When I was brand new, you know what I did? I inched through the tutorial because I was reading the EVE University wiki and training toward real fits, because I wanted to fly real ships. So I would run a couple of tutorial missions in my crap-fit free ship, cram as many skills onto the queue as I could and go to bed. If I hadn't had friends encouraging me to get through it, I would never have put up with it.

That may sound organized, but what I was actually doing was trying to train for as many real ships as I possibly could, at once. I had no sense of how huge the game is. I spent my first 10M skill points badly. I don't know what 2M free skill points would do for an abject newbie except induce a terminal case of choice paralysis. I know you guys are pushing ~sandbox~ really hard, but even some sort of optional structuring of skill points into starter packages would be a huge help. Maybe the college you start from could have some kind of significance?

There are skills whose only real purpose, as far as I'm concerned, is allowing you to fit every slot on a T1 ship. I have never understood that. I have never understood why Propulsion Jamming I isn't something that every new character starts with. I have never understood why skillbooks are variously given away in Aura sidebars and unrelated missions as rewards, making them easy to miss and hard to understand. I mean, if you want an Opportunity to direct people to the career agents, at least fix the career agents first. The Military and Advanced Military tutorials were designed by drunk sadists.

And I want to echo Ralph King-Griffin's concern about capacitor. I brought that up when I reviewed the NPE a couple of years ago, and it's still a concern. Outside of China, green means good and red means bad. Cap stability is rarely good. Cap instability is rarely bad. On top of that, the fitting window makes MWDs look horrible, because it applies the cap penalty and then silently assumes that the module is always running. There's no way to tell it not to.

So let me understand... they won't change the system because it would remove one of the symptoms showing why the system is so bad in the first place.

Of course it does. If I buy a game to play with my friends, I don't want to have to wait 2 days (1d 10 - most people have about 4-6 hrs an evening when they can play, so even if they queue up everything right away, that's still 2d before their open time meets up with the skills they need for the most basic ships) to play it. I want to play it once it's done downloading. If I get a 21-day free trial, I want to be able to try the game for 21 days, not 19.