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Initiating warp by yourself to the target you intend to kill is not fun and interesting? Are you then entitled for someone to bring the reds to your doorstep so you just undock and pew? The sense of entitlement.. God..

Or they could... you know, finally get about to nerfing T3s. If you are against changes or various fleet tactics because a class of ship murder zones all other tactics, perhaps it is broken and needs a fix. They are long overdue for that and we all can agree they need significant adjustments.

But yeah, as far as fleet warps go, I don't see why we couldn't just scale back the time it takes to get scan results of the enemy fleet (30 to 40 seconds even) instead of doing silly things like breaking fleet warp. I'll be ok with the changes coming up if they go through as planned, but I don't see why we need to go down this road when just adjusting scan result times would be so much less complicated, easier to explain, and I would expect more favorable to the general player base.

Thanks for broadcasting bookmarks.

But I'm with posters above, your change will create uncatchable fleets / ships ... is this intentional? And if not, why do you think this is acceptable?

I like the idea posted above to give covops the ability to activate a prop mod while cloaked with the price of a heavy decloak radius bloom.

While it is nice that we are finally getting the ability to broadcast stuff we didn't previously have, and this mitigates SOME of the damage these fleet warp changes will do to a huge variety of operations, play styles, and fleets, these changes are still far too drastic, cause much damage, and simply DO NOT ACHIEVE THE STATED GOALS.

The inability to fleet warp to a bookmark does NOT provide ANY additional or new tactical choices or interesting game play options. It destroys many, though.

Broadcast to bookmark is USELESS to an NPSI or other mixed fleet. EDIT: In post below, Larrikin clarified that anyone in fleet will be able to warp to a broadcasted bookmark, regardless of affiliation. I quote the relevant bits of his post below:




These changes DO NOT increase fleet member agency or participation or whatever feel-good term you want to use.

These changes simply put EVEN MORE work onto already overworked skirmishers and scouts.

These changes do NOTHING to stop bombing camps, in fact, these changes will encourage even more cloaky sabre bubble camps, more catch and drag bubbles on gates, and even more gate camping, because once everyone in their little gang has the bookmarks, they can be just as effective at bombing as if the FC warped them all.

I'm stunned by the thought that this will somehow bring life back to kiting fleets - are you kidding me? Kiting fleets are EVERYWHERE, they are flavor of the month!

I'm just... ugh... I'm holding back rage and disappointment and an actual fear that the one thing I love to do more than anything else in Eve, which is run NewBro new player roams, is going to be just too much to continue running them. Myself and all of the Redemption Road community will do our best, of course, to adapt, but you are making an already challenging and heavy workload job much more challenging and much more work.

Please, I beg of you, keep fleet warp to bookmark, and instead, make it so there is a penalty for fleet warping, such as fleet lands scattered over a 15-20km range. This actually would provide amazing tactical options and interesting game play choices, while achieving numerous of the stated goals.

I think you are implementing the wrong solution to your problem. And please, don't call it participation, EVE players are quite smart (or we would be playing WOW). You are trying to address a couple other issues, not participation.

Bomber fleets will still decimate targets. Their cloakiness is what gives them their surprise factor. They will still de-cloak and bomb/torpedo the crap out of anything.

Sniper fleets will still suffer. The FC will combat probe them with his throwaway alt. Warp at range and have his fleet warp to the alt.

You will get meager improvements while hurting a whole host of players that don't play in null sov.

Very disappointed you are going forward with this.

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You might be a bit to harsh on it GG.

Yes it is still going to be a massive pain for new players roams and npsi groups

They now vaguely achieve the stated goals, if the broadcast works like it sounds, but now it will make moving the fleet far more scattered than before, unless we also get the ability to slow our warps.

Kiting fleets are the fotm but there is a difference between kitting and true sniper fleets. This change doesnt actually give much more to sniper fleets because the way bookmarks are needed for that anyway in combination with range and other variables.

It does effect combat bombing yes, but only as a slow down. Bomber camping and normal camps are both buffed by this.

I cant agree more on the workload part, as a npsi fc and scout I know all to well how draining this all is. Over all I am still fairly opposed to the whole idea and dont think it adds much in terms of its design goals to compensate for its failings.

another stupid ass change quit killing the game
eve is dieing wake the hell up ccp
ur changes aint improving a single damm thing is makin it worse
but thats probably ur goal

So disabling warping to a probe hit when you're within 500km of it never occurred to you?

I'd be ok with this. Ofcourse enemy fleet could counter by warping just off grid and then warping back in.... but stop bubbles and other counter play can counter-act that.

Still an awful way of going about a change. CCP consistently making something simple into something convoluted [not my own words, but I cannot think of anything better]. How am I surprised?

So many other things CCP could do to promote different fleet setups yet they go for something that wannabee game designers dreamt up yesterday. Changes not really thought about that much from those who make them.