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Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#421 - 2015-06-17 18:02:53 UTC
@OP: I would disagree. Battleships are as important a platform as any other. Their specific engagement window is just smaller. The ability to escalate to battleships and caps is often more important than doing so. That being said, the mentality behind bs, the 'NY battleship should wreck everything' idea, must be changed. But people need to fly them to learn this. We also need people to fly them so we can continue to push on their legitimate problems that do need fixed.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#422 - 2015-06-19 06:47:16 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
@OP: I would disagree. Battleships are as important a platform as any other. Their specific engagement window is just smaller. The ability to escalate to battleships and caps is often more important than doing so. That being said, the mentality behind bs, the 'NY battleship should wreck everything' idea, must be changed. But people need to fly them to learn this. We also need people to fly them so we can continue to push on their legitimate problems that do need fixed.

Please elaborate how battleships are preferred for these activities.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#423 - 2015-06-19 06:54:04 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
@OP: I would disagree. Battleships are as important a platform as any other. Their specific engagement window is just smaller. The ability to escalate to battleships and caps is often more important than doing so. That being said, the mentality behind bs, the 'NY battleship should wreck everything' idea, must be changed. But people need to fly them to learn this. We also need people to fly them so we can continue to push on their legitimate problems that do need fixed.

Please elaborate how battleships are preferred for these activities.


I don't think he was actually advocating battleships as preferred over other ships. They do, however, have their place. Structure bashing and Cap killing, to name only a couple. Certain battleships are also preferred for ratting over anything else. Sure, the Ishtar can rat well... but I'll do better in my Rattlesnake, Vindicator, Machariel and/or any Marauder.

That's not even mentioning certain Battleship fleet doctrines that absolutely annihilate opposing fleets. RHML Ravens and Arty Typhoons, just to name a couple.
Icarius
The Wings of Maak
#424 - 2015-06-19 08:46:01 UTC
Aza Ebanu

I still waiting your answer
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#425 - 2015-06-19 08:47:39 UTC
this thread became redundant a long time ago

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#426 - 2015-06-19 10:05:44 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
this thread became redundant a long time ago

Apparently it did not. It seems there is still a strong mentality that bs are useless. They are not, they are just more difficult to use effectively. They do need a more clearly defined role in the former of t3's not invading on their role as much as they do

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Valkin Mordirc
#427 - 2015-06-19 10:21:32 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
this thread became redundant a long time ago

Apparently it did not. It seems there is still a strong mentality that bs are useless. They are not, they are just more difficult to use effectively. They do need a more clearly defined role in the former of t3's not invading on their role as much as they do



That "Strong Mentality" is coming from the OP who is belligerently ignoring everyone else who is telling him is wrong.


IE: Redundant 
#DeleteTheWeak
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#428 - 2015-06-19 12:42:50 UTC
Which is why I was just reading something over in F and I the other day about bs and them needing to be better, and see threads like that crop up fairly regularly.

The Law is a point of View

The NPE IS a big deal
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#429 - 2015-06-19 12:52:19 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Which is why I was just reading something over in F and I the other day about bs and them needing to be better, and see threads like that crop up fairly regularly.


they can be better yes, but the op is specifically telling people to NOT train into battleships because they are useless which is bullsh!t, maybe they are for the OP who throws random mission loot on battleships then dies while solo.

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#430 - 2015-06-20 00:45:31 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Which is why I was just reading something over in F and I the other day about bs and them needing to be better, and see threads like that crop up fairly regularly.


All started by people who don't fly them and think they are broken because they work differently to the cruisers and frigates they are used to.
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#431 - 2015-06-20 02:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Aza Ebanu
Lan Wang wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Which is why I was just reading something over in F and I the other day about bs and them needing to be better, and see threads like that crop up fairly regularly.


they can be better yes, but the op is specifically telling people to NOT train into battleships because they are useless which is bullsh!t, maybe they are for the OP who throws random mission loot on battleships then dies while solo.

Nope! I never said anything like that. See, you forgot to read the OP or you have no reading comprehension. I said for most things other ships can usually do it just as well or better. If a player uses the SP required to adequately fly battleships, to fly smaller hulls, they will find EVE more satisfying. No one has proved it false. I have seen a lot of snark though.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#432 - 2015-06-20 04:04:14 UTC
Honestly I think the Warhammer is pretty much the iconic representation of the Inner Sphere's mechs, just as the MadCat pretty much is the poster child for the Clan.

I do favor the lighter, faster mechs personally. I don't mind sacrificing the durability and firepower for the extra speed and maneuverability. Especially if jump jets are involved. LOVE those things. So for me it's a Jenner for the inner sphere, but if I'm driving a clan mech I really REALLY like the Puma. If you go with the jump jet and ER Large laser variation of it you have a super fast lil bastich that can work the terrain really well while packing a pretty impressive punch for a light mech.
Despite the high heat output I do like the lasers, as they can strike targets that are underwater.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#433 - 2015-06-20 04:54:03 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
" The truth is that, any smaller combat ship can destroy a battleship, and they are designed to be destroyed by larger capital ships too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4XT-l-_3y0

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12
Perihelion Olenard
#434 - 2015-06-20 06:11:52 UTC
In spite of what has been said about battleships being bad, I think I'll use my Kronos in PvP one day after getting Marauders V. I may even consider buying the new Kronos police skin.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#435 - 2015-06-20 18:58:03 UTC
Kenrailae wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
this thread became redundant a long time ago

Apparently it did not. It seems there is still a strong mentality that bs are useless. They are not, they are just more difficult to use effectively. They do need a more clearly defined role in the former of t3's not invading on their role as much as they do



The only way its not redundant is if you consider it hyper-redundant, which IMHO is warranted. OP claims BS's arent the best for any role, people repeatedly post otherwise, OP denies it.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Aza Ebanu
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#436 - 2015-06-20 19:54:14 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Kenrailae wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
this thread became redundant a long time ago

Apparently it did not. It seems there is still a strong mentality that bs are useless. They are not, they are just more difficult to use effectively. They do need a more clearly defined role in the former of t3's not invading on their role as much as they do



The only way its not redundant is if you consider it hyper-redundant, which IMHO is warranted. OP claims BS's arent the best for any role, people repeatedly post otherwise, OP denies it.

Truth should be redundant. I never said battleships aren't best at any role. You sir are full of malarkey.
Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#437 - 2015-06-20 22:30:06 UTC
Aza Ebanu wrote:
If a player uses the SP required to adequately fly battleships, to fly smaller hulls, they will find EVE more satisfying. No one has proved it false. I have seen a lot of snark though.


With the SP needed to fly a HAC instead of a BS you have enough to get most of the core/fitting/tank/weapon skills to 4. Not to mention that most of the skills you need in order to fly a BS good are skill you also need to fly a T2 cruiser good (other than large weapon/t2 large weapon and MJD skill if you decide to go for it)

T1 Battleship vs T2 cruiser will give BS the win for least SP needed AND least isk lost on destruction
Ahed Sten
#438 - 2015-06-21 07:53:22 UTC
This thread was past it's expiration date two months ago when I first saw it, how the hell is it still on page 1 and why do people continue to waste their time? OP has obviously made some undeniable truths very clear for the rest of you naysayers.

You're right, OP. Battleships are terrible ships and you should never, ever fly one. They serve no purpose in this game whatsoever, they're outclassed by everything from Frigates to Supers and they're a total waste of skill points. You totally hit the nail on the head with your astute observations, and I support your decision to never train or fly any of them! Thumbs up!

*Sneaks off to do fun battleship stuff in a battleship with other battleships.*

...

You know that OP is bad.

Everyone that has read this knows that OP is bad.

OP probably even knows that OP is bad but can't admit it.


Now can we please stop publicizing the OP and his bad ideas?
Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#439 - 2015-06-21 09:56:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme Sake
I do surely plan to train them especially for PVP. I find most of the battle cruisers less worth to training than battleships. Probably this sort of threads are started by frigate pilots who can't imagine piloting a ship moving at speeds lower than 10000 m/s.

"Never not blob!" ~ Plato
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#440 - 2015-06-21 17:38:09 UTC
Quote:

Truth should be redundant. I never said battleships aren't best at any role. You sir are full of malarkey.


Quote:
battleships are worthless


Its OK, you don't have to read what you wrote; we did.


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it