Player Features and Ideas Discussion

This inconclusive, void-of-arguments rabbling is an insult to fellow readers. Please, less condescending and actual arguments beside *I'm so good, ask me why*.

yeah that was a pretty sh!t thing to say on my part and tbh i cant even think of any sort of comeback because it was so terrible, sorry i actually dont really know why i even posted that.

Logis have been a root problem as to why the increases happen. Not the only, by far not the smallest reason. And not being changed doesn't mean anything in regards to their place. If you haven't noticed, a lot of things that were 'fine' and untouched for years are getting redone and tweaked.

Sure, it could be the 'I want' crowd too, but how do you distinguish who is who in a room of people who think everyone else is wrong?

so you basically kill WH cuz those rely on bookmarks, you limit the option to warp out and back in in a fight which kills slow ships (read: BS, BC, AHAC), you pretty much remove HS missioner-ganking which makes HS a safer place to carebear in, you make travelling via pings in nullsec take 100% longer, and i could continue all day long. besides of killing multiboxer-miners cuz they cant warp their fleet to pos or dock-bookmark, which in return hurts subscriptions even more and thus lowers your income so eve will continue to die instead of surviving. yay.

While New Eden would be an amazing place full of love, friendship and solidarity if I were CCP Larrikin I have to let everyone down by clearing up this misunderstanding.

Your Freudian slip is showing.

Put yourself in CCP's shoes: you have a game that has defied the odds repeatedly. The game made it into a museum while remaining viable. You're putting your heart and soul into gussying it up for its second decade and you're really excited about all the enhancements you're making to the game. Do you want to go on to your own forums and hear that "people just wait for Jabber pings and press F1?"

People complained about ISBoxer giving one person a vastly outsized influence on the game. Well, this is the same thing, only in wetware. You have one person (the FC) actually invested in the game, and then however many people who log in when told, anchor up when told, and press F1 when told, and then log out. If they do stay in the game, it's to run PVE AFK so that CONCORD automagically puts ISK in their wallets while they play League of Legends.

These people have absolutely no investment in the game. They're force multipliers for the handful of people who do. That's great for that handful of people, at least until they burn out, but what does it mean for the health and the longevity of the game?

I FC'd my first roam the other night. It was a very small gang: three Vexors, no links, no alts at all. There was much derping, because I was a first-time FC, and it turns out that "any decision is better than no decision" is much easier to assert than it is to put into practice; but this change wouldn't have substantially affected anything. When we needed a scout, we sent a Vexor.

But then people can't keep their 20 mill SP requirement...

That was a derp on my behalf (I get you two confused) I meant Dark Razer (the rest of the statement is still correct).

I am afraid this is another half fast job done without any real thought put behind the game.

Besides we are going back to the old days 2007, we are nerfing the game tactics.

So now warping the fleet you either need to use a scout with all the bookmarks that goes ahead and everybody jumps to him.
Ofcource the easy counter to this is go after the scout time and time again and the fleet cannot really kite after that and are forced to either leave the battle or engage is disfavourable terms. In effect CCP just killed kitting with this. Now you will be forced to stand ground and fight even thought you can be out numbered. This change is very bad when small entities are taking on large ones. All the recent changes were suppose to benefits the smaller entities and help them get more space etc. Now this goes completelly against it and benefits only the larger entities.
As a result scouts which already are in inties and cannot be trapped by bubbles will fit outragious implants and do 10,000 + km/s. Exactly like in the past. I thought we moved from this to make the game better?

Been forced to do "sharing of bookmarks" is the worst idea in my opinion. I mean all you need is a spy and whats the points of having a bookmarks when you enemy knows them already. Again killed kitting/snipping, element of surprise and tactics. We have encountered many cases where the spies have stolen our bookmarks before and came very close to be trapped. Imagine now with this change. Its free intel with no effort besides putting someone on some corp.

And i think the wormhole people have said plenty in this thread.

I feel like CCP is trying to fix something by doing this and I am not sure what exactly is. Something tells me that a simple change as reducing the fleet size will fix this issue, therefore forcing multiple fleets. And for god sake, ban all tool like ISBOXING fully cos this will solve half your problems. But I could be wrong I this part cos I am not sure if bombers is their real target with this nerf. I dont feel bombers are over powered. Its no different from people using tengus or whatever is the next thing that works for them.

FC will still continue and drive the whole fleets no matter what I think cos its in their nature.
Its too easy for the larger entities to just kill the scout. Once the scout is dead, its GG for kitting fleet!

Good, one less f1 monkey.