Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have been watching this thread since page 12...and goddamn Querns, GankYou, Anhenka, et. al. have been rope-a-doping just about all the high sec people.

Well done.....and if you are part of the et. al., sorry don't mean to give short shrift to your contributions they are good too. Mr Omniblivion, Rowells, EvilweaselSA, Gallowmere, and HarlyQ to name some of the people with good comments.

It's what I do.

The dirty secret here is that none of these people are actually "high sec people" — they're anti-nullsec people.

Why would I be anti-nullsec? I believe the game needs every region to be healthy and draw different kinds of players to the game. I'm just not convinced that this change is a great idea. This actually gets reinforced by the vociferous support from those who will benefit the most. I'm also uncomfortable that players have been able to invest heavily in a commodity available in only one section of space. That smacks of insider trading, especially when you keep mentioning that there is an over abundance of high ends in null compared to low ends. This is tantamount to throwing a stack of ISK at those who already have (or have much easier access to) those high ends.

Booohooo you have to pay ISK for a service that people ask more of because of the risk. CCP doesn't force you to use Black Frog, You choose to. You could mine the minerals in Deklein (i know :effort:) but you don't.

A) Because your miners are not afforded any real protection outside of numbers in local
B) Because your alliance does not actively contribute to funding mining and industry (import its better isk/hr right).
C) Because your members are at constant risk of AWOX
D) Because of the above more people leave NS mining in Deklein and less people venture into it.

In regards to gun mining...if it was dead why did CCP just nerf it by 45% last spring?

You don't know much about production do you, after all you seem to be under the impression there exists a Blue Print that can build anything in the game if you throw enough isk at it. T1 production walks a very finite line between worth it and not worth it, the changes to production costs make it very much not worth it (if they remain as stands).

If this is really a NS change for more self sufficiency, less dependency on JFs from HS, why does the Zydrine and Megacyte change need to exist at all? It doesn't offer anything to their desired change...except prompt people into doing JF runs from NS to HS.

Its just nonsense and will only drive T1 production (in LS and HS) down as a result of increase Meta module costs which is going to happen because HS folks only source of Mega and Zydrine is from gun mining. Which means HS producers will drive up the price through consumption and reprocessing, and thats not even the end of it, once folks realize making T1 mods is a waste of cash (which it nearly is right now anyway), then Faction stuff will start to rise in price...which means more LP grinding...how do you get LP? Missions which seed Meta Mods (yay!), but you still need T1 mods...Game of Alts indeed. If folks in NS don't have a mission running alt, or Incursion alt...you should get one, because having the monopoly on readily available T1 mods, gives you a nice foothold in the Faction Mod market. Which ultimately is contradictory to the whole "get people into NS" thing, since doing missions and making T1 mods from your reprocessed loot into faction mods from your earned LP is going to eclipse anything production wise in NS. To the point you will be quite able to afford importing anything you want from HS through Black Frog.

This isn't rocket science man.

Im happy CCP is tweaking NS ore, but they are being very short sighted with the changes to production requirements. The latter is an unneeded change to accomplish their set goals.

Every one saw it coming but the amount available in hisec was limited whereas those in heavily defended nullsec space could think 'hey lets mine the **** out of meg and zyd ores before they become rare and then refine it later when prices spike (with our much better refining rate to boot!)'...

I'm also not convinced about the 'cut reliance on jf's' argument. Unless the change produces enough minerals to be highly self sufficient then jf runs are still going to be required. However once you have the logistics route recipe planned it's just a case of executing the plan over and over. It will still be easier, faster, less boring and less risk to pull everything in from hisec.

I don't see this achieving much beyond giving some people a big income boost. I would have preferred ore rebalancing to come from the drilling platform structures in some way instead.

Don't go there.

I was getting multi-million in units buy orders filled non-stop at 630 p/u just a day before April 1st. After I bought out the whole Empire on March 20th.

It is possible, yes, that after the Fanfest on the 19th of March some shrewd entities started stacking said ores, but given the abysmal mineral prices at that time, I'd imagine there wasn't much mining going on prior to this.

And why would you stack Crokite? If you didn't refine it then, you surely are going to refine it before the patch, otherwise you're stuck with your Nocxiums.

Interesting question, though - would ores, which had been mined pre-patch retain their mineral compositions, or is the new changes going to overwrite these?

As an example: AFAIR the ships which had been produced prior to the Tiericide still retained the old mineral bill of materials, so you couldn't refine them into moar mineralulz.

Then your theory doesn't work, does it?

Here I am, a Hisecks pirat, plundering the booty and reselling it to the originators.

Or like your reading. if ganking fails, bumping doesn't. Being in Skiff does make it harder, but not impossible, which once again proves Skiff has its worth in trolling bad gankers/bumpers, but not in mining.
That said, suicide wanking is 100% foolproof, but I guess it's still not 100% gewnproof, as you seem convinced you can find new ways for it to fail, despite it being foolproof.

If only I were a bot fleet...

Otherwise, I'm already in null, but main beneficiary of this change is not a human player.

This is preposterous! Evidence is an old relic concept, which died in the chivalrous middle ages back beyond the Eve wormhole.