Player Features and Ideas Discussion

That does absolutely nothing to solve the issue that the change was made to help with.

Unless it being in lowsec magically manages to let to teleport to the outside rim of EVE without passing through the intervening space.

This is not a "We need to nerf highsec mining and we shall do it by buffing nullsec mining" change.
This is a "We need to buff nullsec mining to avoid major fallout with the new sov system" change.

Putting low end buffed ore in lowsec but not null would do nothing to help the livability of the outer regions.

Thats to bad. Fight and take space closer to Lowsec if you want easier access to the minerals. Risk/Reward and all that right? If you live in the ass end of space you are much safer than living in high traffic space...think of all the time you will have to mine even your limited resources 30 jumps away from anyone who gives a rats ass about your colony in Omist.

"I have no counter argument to your position, so I am just going to attack your character instead"

Our "position" is that CCP has stated their intended goal:

"Make nullsec more independent from highsec in terms of t1 production"

And their change to accomplish that:

"Buff nullsec anomalies to provide greater amounts of lowends and fewer highends"

Our position is CCP's positions.


We don't need to convince you of ****. If you want it changed, you need to supply reasons and explanations for CCP so that they might change their mind.

That's cool.

I think you are running out of sensible arguments.

Basically, it's okay if nullsec gets an advantage. Truly, it's fine.

= In a limited capacity (anoms) the valuation would be entirely capable of being adjusted to keep valuation of the minerals reasonable. The changes to Ice mining have shown that limited conditional spawning mechanics does not impede on the valuation vs direct source mechanics.

= see above for an explanation on why this wouldn't be the case

= Doing so would not make HS any more self sufficient than pumping up Lowends does for NS, it is an improvement but limited conditions does not make HS instantly fully self sufficient. If this were the case then Gun mining would have been obliterated instead of simply nerfed.

= Why would JF dependency sky rocket? Unless of course folks in NS are not mining the ore available to them. If you have the ore right out your front door, why would you bother outsourcing for it...unless you simply do not want to mine it yourself.

Edit:

The thing you don't seem to get is that this change doesn't just adjust minerals for NS. It is adjusting production requirements for High End minerals as well. The markets are already well behind demand as it stands with highends, well all ore really (NS folks don't mine, or don't deliver to HS like they used to, and nerfs to gun mining) , doubling the amount required (regardless of initial volume needed) halves the supply instantly. Megacyte for example is currently at 25% supply vs demand. If this change happened tomorrow that supply becomes 12.5%. This portion of the change impacts every area of EVE, not just NS.

Honestly I couldn't care less if NS had unlimited ore and miners **** liquid isk, I do care that the market currently can not support demand, and that increasing the requirements further only makes this worse...not to mention again with JFs likely being nerfed in the future, supply becoming even less than it currently is. Without a source of Megacyte (and Zydrine) HS production will suffer, as will LS production (to a lesser extent). So please stop telling me what i am talking about, because its not about the ores in NS...its about the direct changes to production that impact us all.

Considering isotope values are in the toilet, I'll take that as an anti-example to your point.

You'll have to link the post in question for the second point, because I don't know to which post you refer.

You can't really make the third point and claim up and down that "nullsec has the lowends needed to build already."

JF dependency would skyrocket because the rapacity and utter safety of highsec would see all available highend bearing anomalies stripped by folks whose ability to understand an economic bargain compares unfavorably to people who buy lottery tickets. This causes the costs to race to the bottom, making highsec production much cheaper compared to nullsec. Thus, nullsec production slows/halts when people realize, hey, we can just JF this stuff in instead of building it and save a bundle.

It's reverse NIMBY.

And people being scared the low end will crash hard if you don't import a metric ass ton of them.