Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It may be a 'boon to transporters' right until the industrialists have to deal with 3 different compressed ore varieties per ore as a result. The saving in micromanagement from removing all 5% & 10% ores and changing it so that you actually just mine 5% & 10% more of the normal ore is worth a small increase in transportation issue, especially since compression can now be done at any POS, station or outpost, making it vastly easier to transport Ore in general.

Fozzie, could explain the thinking behind the zyd/Meg increases? Is this intended to be a long term or short term fix? Is the

I feel like as soon as the changes hit, some people might mine more of the high ends and drive the supply back up to meet demand, and put prices near their starting point, only effectively changing the number of people mining and minerals used, once everything else stabilizes.

Hmm.. very radical changes. Harder to pop the Index belts as they all have a ton of Spod. I am guessing it should solve the mexallon shortage when null mining/building.

Usually I write big long opinion pieces about any mining change. But this is so radical its hard to wrap my head around..so I just have this:

If because of the changes miners will make more isk per hour, then I am for it.

Unlike High sec, null mining can't be done semi-afk. And atm it has the lowest isk per hour of any of the eve professions (IMHO).

I vote for some love for the rorqual also.

Spodumain has always been the sexiest ore.

The increased volumetric usage of the high ends is really key, even with the increased supply.

I would suggest doing a data dump and putting a reminder on a calendar for this one for a revisit in six months just to see if we are hitting the target.

How do you figure? I think zydrine and megacyte prices will go through the roof after these changes. They are lowering the amount and increasing demand.

The mainstay of null mining is the large index belt. It was easy to pop and worth a lot of isk and had a lot of megacyte. Now he has a ton of spodumain and the spod won't have megacyte anymore. All the belts will be hard to pop. And we will all end up mining spodumain.

I doubt you sold....surely you aren't that blind. I think you are hoping by your post everyone else will sell so you can stock up even more.

Hi,

I am not a fan of these changes. I do not think you have adequately considered price and manufacturing pressure on existing items. Many items are unprofitable to manufacture in their current form and invention is a total mess even with recent changes, so increasing the mineral cost for these items at the same time sovereignty changes are being introduced is going to have a hugely negative impact on the game, making it much more expensive for people to play. Which works great for your pocketbook, until you start losing subscribers.

I like the idea of nullsec minerals increasing in importance and increasing nullsec self-sufficiency, but the reality is that life is already very difficult for most miners both high and lowsec, and the nullsec mining climate is going to get much more hostile with the increases in roaming gangs under the new sovereignty system. Which is totally fine, but it is going to have a serious net impact on prices, which in turn is going to continue to help the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

CCP's changes are getting less and less clued by the day. There are some fantastic ideas being bandied around (and I applaud the innovative spirit, particularly of the structure changes which I think are the best thing to happen to EVE in almost a decade) but the rush to put them in place before they have been thought through is pretty obvious.

Before you do anything, you need to wait for the changes from Fozziesov to settle out, rebalance the industrial ships, take a good hard look at manufacturing profit and mineral content overall, and consider making PVPers make a choice between killing miners/industrialists and killing everything else. My suggestion would be to offer specialized arrays for scanning down mining anomalies. Then there's the question of how to get these minerals out of null, which has gotten pretty difficult with the absolutely dimwitted travel changes and has essentially pushed everyone towards jump freighters.

You can't rely on the market dataset; there are too many items there being sold at levels currently unprofitable to manufacture, which leads one to question whether CCP has any sense of what is actually going on.

If you don't fix industry, EVE will continue to be too expensive to play.

Can you please stop with the braindead decisions?

Taking my miners from 162 sec/cycle to just over 90 seconds seems pretty "useless" to me as well. Yep, totally useless

Right, I did the number crunching for tritanium at least. All new nullsec ores still have a lower trit/m3 content than veldspar. Which means I'm still going to be stuck mining highsec ore(s) in nullsec.

RIP HS Production.

According to a few calculations of me, I would say you should raise the following minerals by the following values :

Tritanium ~ 5 % in the greater clusters
Pyrite ~ 20 %
Mexallon : looks good now
Isogen ~ 15 % more in the greater Clusters
Noxicum also ~ 10 % more in the greater clusters
Zydrine ~5 % more
Megacyte ~5 % more
Morphite ~ 10 % more

Why?


according to my calculations (and provided that they are right) I have determined the following values of the enormous cluster

Tritanium : 356.435.000 Units
Pyrite : 86.551.000 Units
Mexallon : 25.742.000 Units
Isogen : 4.895.000 Units
Noxicum : 1.348.000 Units
Zydrine : 579.825 Units
Megacyte : 257.200 Units
Morphite 15.600 Units

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These are my figures, before refining.

the other groups have no great divergence of it, apart from the total quantity.
If some pay are wrong, sry, it is quite late ;)

Jm2c