Player Features and Ideas Discussion

shaving off some more fitting resources and nuking 10mn afterburner agility (1mn can remain as-is IMO) would go a long way in my opinion, at least as first iteration step.
If fitting 10mn afterburner means 15sec align time in speed mode on top of some serious fitting challenges it shouldnt be Svipul online anymore

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I got really irked when listen to the Fanfest presentation on Ship & Module Balance when a fellow asked if we can have a T3 industrial ship. Fozzie replied that it something that has been bouncing around. I do not agree with this approach. If you want an Orca counterpart that is ideal for gas mining operations, ice mining, or w/e, make a separate hull for it with its own unique model and bonuses. ...

Nope. That is NOT how ccp works for YEARS. In the past yes, they used to follow the "let the players use their tools philosofy". But that stopped long ago, when they nerfed all e-war up to the point their are almost useless outside their bonused ships, when they removed multiple prop mods at same time on a ship, when they nerfed ALL the speed enhance modules up to the point that even if you use 3 of them you cannot reach the same bonus that a single click in overheat can (effectively making speed enhancing modules a waste of slots only justified when you lack CPU or PG to fit something more interesting, a simple example of how this is true si the rise of the oversized prop mod as the ONLY kiting alternative, because it is always better to fit PG modules in the lows to fit a larger prop mod then to use the same low slots to enhance your speed. ). And thousands of other examples, where CCP nerf things under the argument that is is not how the ship was intended to be used. Expect T3 to be the next in line to get this homogenization treatment.


And the range bonus in real game terms DO NOT APPLY TO AUTOS. 50% bonus to a NEAR ZERO VALUE is still NEAR ZERO! Probably once every 100 sivpul fights the 50% range bonus makes ANY difference on a fight outcome.



Again I will reiterate, the problem of oversized props is because CCP OVERNERFED speed enhance modules up to the point that it is always better to use your low slots for POWER GRID and then fit an oversized prop mod then it is to put speed ehnace modules. INCREASE the bonus of the speed enhacne modules and you will see less oversized setups.

cap usage? it's an afterburner, nobody cares.

Confessor will be too tough to fit now imo, resulting in there only being 1 or 2 viable fits. Fair enough, reduce the power grid to dissuade the use of oversized prop mods but increase the cpu to open up some fitting option. This won't do much but it's something.

All of the strongest Confessor fits still fit...

You are entitled to your opinion, but CCP keep stating that as their intent. I also don't think the changes to EWar were unwarranted. EWar is still powerful outside of unbonused ships, except for ECM where the entire mechanic needs a rework in the worst way and everyone including CCP knows it.

You're talking about changes that happened over seven years ago and were massively popular and, in my opinion, much needed. Stackable prop mods didn't add anything good to the game.

Overheating prop mods is a risk/reward dynamic. The module overheats fairly quickly on most ships, can't be repaired while it's on, and gives a big boost. So you get a short period of speed which you have to ration carefully. If your opponent blows his overheat cycles and you still have yours you have a big advantage. This is one of the core dynamics of frigate PvP and solo and small gang PvP in general.

You're also neglecting the fact that an oversized prop mod has drawbacks in cap use and agility as well as fitting. They're very powerful but it costs a lot to fit one, which is why only a very very small number of ships ever both to fit one in a combat situation (bump stabbers not withstanding)

Fitting speed mods in the lows does't have any of those drawbacks.

Lastly if someone wants to ignore the bonus to range on the Svipul it's because they found something that they feel is worth more and they're willing to trade the effect of that bonus for it. There's nothing wrong with that and it doesn't mean the ship needs a falloff bonus to make the AC fits even stronger.