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The Shrinking Sandbox - Eve by numbers

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#161 - 2015-04-04 00:45:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Varathius wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I did my part, I already pointed out to them that their proposed system ***** all over the small groups and has a barrier of effort that cannot be achieved by them(4 hours per structure across the entire alliance), but people are too busy circlejerking each other over either the death of nullsec entire, the death of the "blue donut", the death of structure sov, and the other various narratives being advanced over the truth of the mattter.

It's up to them to realize that what they're suggesting does not accomplish their goals.


I have to agree with you here and add something to your last sentence, they will accomplish the exact opposite with this change of what they have in mind.



CCP has done that before lol. And the response is always the same, people start cheering because they think people they dislike will start getting hurt by something. They end up cheering their own misfortune, because what happens ALWAYS affects them way more than it does the people they thought were about to be screwed.

eh heh heh

I don't know what you're referring to at all. Suddenly I feel very tired...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#162 - 2015-04-04 00:45:18 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Is it hard being so absolutely wrong?
3 years on nul? not with the char you are posting with you haven't. 7 years in highsec with a few dashes into nul to troll others fleets.
why would I know that if I had my finger on the pusle? You are posting with an empire based toon, nothing to do with nulsec, except a few troll kills and losses.

It is hard to respond because you spread out your jokes over so many individual quotes and half need to be deleted to reply..

Eve changes all the time? What has changed as far as nulsec goes recently, except one of the bloks decided to evict yet another unaligned alliance from their sov. What do you think will change post June?

You want credibility? Your not getting it by posting with a nobody toon and expecting people "with their finger on the pulse" to know you.

All I see here is a highsec pubbie who "thinks" he knows whats going on in sov. CCP propaganda is a lie !!

Everything i have said i stand by and CCP metrics back up, unlike you who is trying to discredit what i say with "I know". What exactly do you know?

You've used a lot of space to tell me I'm wrong but not how or why, except I disagree with your uninformed prattle.


Your posting history seems to stink of TROLL. You've had your fun here, go find another thread to ply your wares on.


yes 3 years in null, 1 with IRC 1 with ROGUE 1 with SMA, i don't pretend to know how to fix EVE like you do, you're the idiot jumping up and down about a system that's only being talked about and not set in stone, you refer to my comments as jokes so why should i take the shite you type serious. take your 10 account and go and gather all the other bitter shites and take them with you, you seem to think having so many accounts entitles you to have the game as it is now and never changing, and when the change happens you better have a say in it because you pay for 10 accounts and when it's not going your way you'll unsub.
well here's a wake up call, the rest of us have a say too.
your answer is to leave?
this stops number shrinking how?
your logic is flawed.
you then insult my main account,.
yes, i have a fecking backbone and don't hide behind an alt, a nothing account, like the one you're using now, you cheeky gobshite.
lol if this is the quality of intel you bring to the table then everything you say has to be taken with a pinch of salt buddy Blink if you where even in game you could check my corps alliance history, doesn't take but a minute and anyone can see clearly where we've been.
your claim that EVE is going to die is full of shite. do you know how many whining shites like you i've kick from corp over the years, little jumped up nobodies dictating their terms to everyone or else they'll take their 10 caps and leave,,, lol das boot!
my posting history is there for all to see, i don't troll nobody, i comment,, if i'm wrong i withdraw it, but in this case, i believe i'm not wrong in saying you're in a state of panic, calm down, take a deep breath and realise, it's just a game,, why you have to be so mad?




xxxTRUSTxxx

xxxTRUSTxxx [CEO]
Galactic Rangers 2007/02/10 23:59
13 members
1 and a half years in SMA. Six months in each of a couple of other alliances.


I never claimed eve is going to die. I said CCP is not going to achieve their goals with the coming changes.
The game has changed enough over the last few years that I can no longer play the way i choose (the only reason to play a sandbox). I'm not mad about leaving the game, I have accepted my time in eve is coming to an end.

Eve will survive, me and even a few thousand like me leaving is not going to change that.
What will continue to change is the game, more and more player choice is being removed.
Replaced with; Fixed hours of content, that exceed or take all of the average players daily play time.
Structure grinding with large fleets and capitals, replaced with, mass grinding with small ships.
FW is a series of mini games dominated by a few large groups, soon sov will be a series of mini games - Dominated by a few large groups.

What I am mad about is the lies CCP publish and simply expect paying customers to suck up and believe.
Not long ago CCP made a huge deal about being more transparent and keeping players informed, as player feedback was important. It seems that is something very selective, they tell us everything is going to be awesome, ask for feedback, then NOTHING, complete silence barring two troll responses from devs.
Two blogs promised nearly a month ago by a dev are still nowhere to be seen and worse, nothing from CCP to let us know why, promised followup information has not been provided.
CCP stated these changes to sov were being announced well in advance because player feedback was wanted and important. Why ask for feedback, then seemingly ignore what players have to say?


No company can expect customer loyalty when they treat them like mushrooms.

NB; You go and get all upset because you think I am insulting you (LOL) but still failed to respond the the one important question you were asked. "What do you think will change come June?"
I'm wrong? Why am I wrong?
I have no problem with someone proving my theories wrong, I like to discuss theories and ideas. But when someone simply says I am wrong with no alternate theory or proof provided, I tend to lean toward them being nothing more than a troll.


My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#163 - 2015-04-04 02:41:03 UTC  |  Edited by: xxxTRUSTxxx
Sgt Ocker wrote:


My opinions are mine.

If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK



opinions are like arseholes, everyones got one, so you don't agree with mine, but it's ok. RollBlink am i right Lol

you want information now!

so demanding it on the forums or you'll leave is the way to go ? lol
you ever wonder why you got so called troll answers in this thread from the devs?
you pay to play like the rest of us, but demanding shite or you'll rage quit on us?,,, lol,,, come on.
if the sandbox is shrinking as you claim then how is EVE not going to die, shrinking means getting smaller does it not? smaller leads to dead areas of space because of less choice or freedom?
servers not needed, devs not needed, CCP shrinks,, EVE dies,,, no?
this so called shrinking doesn't lead to the end ?
what you mean is players are going to leave and others will replace them. again what's new ? this is every game on the planet, not just EVE.

i can understand you really want to know what's going on, but you'll just have to wait like the rest of us.

what you want me to do is tell you what i think will happen come june, you want me to play the guessing game.

I've no feckin idea, i don't work for CCP nor have CCP completed their decisions on sov and released this information to us,
they've spoken about ideas, they're still working on stuff, to speculate on something we know little about and that's what you're doing is a little silly and further more you're willing to quit the game for it.
you want speculation, bullshite in other words,,, k,,,, how about, alliances rule their own space, bloks no longer can project their power, so no longer exist as they do today, members of the current bloks get bored, people need people to shoot. CFC disbands because there isn't enough targets for their PVP pilots, N3 find themselves in the same postion, N3 breaks into 2 smaller bloks, CVA grow beyond belief, new system suits them perfect, high sec begins to empty out as smaller alliances take sov of 1 or 2 systems, high sec shrinks (drifter related) <<<< <<< total bullshite, nothing but speculation that serves no purpose but to talk shite about, a bit like beer talk.

proving your theories wrong. really,,, you think i want to prove your theories wrong. i can't, you're speaking from an alt.
i can't know your true loyalties or gaming style, you're just another alt on the forums claiming to have 10 accounts that you'll unsub if things don't go the way you want.
what if this and what if that. ah well if my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle.
if you've made your mind up and have already decided your time in EVE is coming to an end why are you on here claiming you care and making threats to unsub? you do realise that threat has as much weight to it now as a bag of air. like regardless you've already accepted the end is nigh.
like why does it matter to you if the sandbox is shrinking? most people who stick around play it, love it,, burn out and leave, some come back, some don't. again a natural trend for all games alike.
why not accept this new challange that CCP presents us with come june, instead of i'll unsub if you don't do what i want CCP.
Felter Echerie
Profit Prophets
#164 - 2015-04-04 02:48:49 UTC
Ned Thomas wrote:
Is it June yet? I really want it to be June.

PLEASE!!!!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#165 - 2015-04-04 02:50:02 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
what you mean is players are going to leave and others will replace them. again what's new ? this is every game on the planet, not just EVE.

tons of mmos on the planet have died. again what's new?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#166 - 2015-04-04 03:16:22 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
what you mean is players are going to leave and others will replace them. again what's new ? this is every game on the planet, not just EVE.

tons of mmos on the planet have died. again what's new?


my point exactly.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#167 - 2015-04-04 03:36:04 UTC
I'm glad we all agree eve is dying.

Well that was surprisingly easy

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Felter Echerie
Profit Prophets
#168 - 2015-04-04 03:41:28 UTC
wait... is eve dead already?
Lienzo
Amanuensis
#169 - 2015-04-04 03:42:03 UTC
Don't confuse a cold, malevolent universe for one that is simply empty.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#170 - 2015-04-04 03:46:19 UTC
Lienzo wrote:
Don't confuse a cold, malevolent universe for one that is simply empty.

Heh not bad, a very good one liner

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Jenshae Chiroptera
#171 - 2015-04-04 04:11:38 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
- remembering to take drugs.
Hey, whatever you have to do to make the experience bearable!.
Virtual ones.
RL ones are a waste of money, they don't work on me. Ambulance crew double dosed me on morphine, I took one micro-nap and shrugged off the second dose.

... and kids, they are really stupid things to take, look what it did to this guy. I have read some of his work. He has superstition, drug induced fantasy and science in his head with enough intelligence, to mesh them in such a way that he and some others actually believe it. Ugh

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#172 - 2015-04-04 04:48:00 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Funny but I see here a guy who has not left Empire, let alone participated in FW saying he won't debate with npc corpies?
Yet wants to make every new player who joins the game a legitimate target from day 1.
Bad idea and very narrow minded.

Unless of course you are posting with an alt - Which is quite common and cannot be used to judge whether another's comments are valid or not.



Actually its his main, I know I trained the guy. And no i will not reveal my main or my current alts that i also play.

But i do know i have no reason to doubt the intel gathering prowess of the player behind that character. He use his now numerous alts for a number of things. has been to nullsec, losec, and systems in between. and between both of us we have sen that most people are easily bored and quit because of the lack of Combat PvP....and the risk adverse attitude they bring with them coupled with the fact of heavy confusion from day 1.

Now Mr. Dont Care/bitervet/worthless to play with guy......

The idea is this....if your 30 days or older still in an NPC Corp, you should be a war target to your Factions opposing NPC Milita Corp and easily shot on site where ever you are. Now if your under that Day 30 and flying in what amounts to enemy space you should be able to be killed by players in the Milita NPC Corp(not player corps) with no Concord to protet you.

Why that is? UHm your Factions are at war. and its covered by lore dating back to when Capsuleer Militias were created and allowed by Concord, when the Factions choose to declare war officially.
But for gaming purposes.....over the past 2 years on this character i Have seen countless newer players asking "where can i get into fights?" or "How to get into Big fights?" because they have seen youtube videos or such.
I have also seen those who have new clue about anything up to and after they get ganked.

Point is: EvE is a PvP game, from minig the rocks, to building the ships and equipment, to using them to stake control of resources or simply to project control over a region for in game political reasons or what not. From market trading, to gather LP's, or even missioning for salvage to build rigs to outfit a fleet. The list can go on forever into enternity from any number of combinations of the above and what i have not said yet.

If EvE is dying.......
Its because those of us whom are Veterans have become narrow minded, or stupid, or just damn petty not those that are still finding fun and excitement.
And lets face it....most new players are not having any fun. No one seems to want them around. I would love to have them myself but only if they are willing to learn and actually play.
And by that i mean get out of the NPC corp and live a little. And the idea Kaldi speaks of may need some polish but it has its merits for getting peeps out of NPC corps....then its up to us Veterans to change how we play to give those newbros a place to live and learn be as powerful feeling as they like.

And before you make assumptions.....no we are not carebears, and we dont live permanently in null because the politico's there just plain dump crap 24/7 and their line members and renters suck it straight from their arse.
Just today, we had someone come into a belt...what did we do...we logged in some gank alts killed the barge and its hauler and got one of the little pods too!!
We have our own plans, now we just to need to find like minded people that want to actually build EvE Castles and do something with them. Not have this "who cares" "used to be a nullbear" attitude. I am sorry you got bored with EvE, I am sorry you got crapped on in null.....its ok really, shhh litle one things will turn out fine just let the adults keep doing the planning.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2015-04-04 09:27:13 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
CCP Falcon, I would be really interested to hear whether your perspective of the new and improved "Eve by numbers" has changed your "opinion" as quoted above.


Nope Big smile



/thread

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2015-04-04 09:30:01 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
most new players are not having any fun.


Speak for yourself, and only yourself. Until you've constructed the appropriate and required qualitative survey with results from an acceptably high population sample, or you can read the minds of every new player that joins the game, you have no idea whether this is true or not, you're just expatiating the same old "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE NEWBIES!" that gets thrown around every time the game is just a little too much effort for someone.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Klaus Tylar
Tylar United Freight
#175 - 2015-04-04 09:33:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Klaus Tylar
Max Deveron wrote:
And lets face it....most new players are not having any fun.


Of the eight new players I have recruited in the past couple months, none of them have complained about not having fun- A few needed a bit more guidance than the new player experience offered, yes, but they were eager to learn the game. In fact, they all seem to be having a pretty awesome time in general! Many ships lost, many good fights had. While I recognize this is a limited sample size, I have trouble imagining that the wider picture is too far off from what I am seeing with these newbies.
Iam The Flash
Doomheim
#176 - 2015-04-04 11:42:48 UTC
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
And lets face it....most new players are not having any fun.


Of the eight new players I have recruited in the past couple months, none of them have complained about not having fun- A few needed a bit more guidance than the new player experience offered, yes, but they were eager to learn the game. In fact, they all seem to be having a pretty awesome time in general! Many ships lost, many good fights had. While I recognize this is a limited sample size, I have trouble imagining that the wider picture is too far off from what I am seeing with these newbies.


your talking about recruitment

he is talking about new players who dont join corps because they dont know how

stop confusing one subject with another to make your point
Klaus Tylar
Tylar United Freight
#177 - 2015-04-04 14:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Klaus Tylar
Iam The Flash wrote:
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
And lets face it....most new players are not having any fun.


Of the eight new players I have recruited in the past couple months, none of them have complained about not having fun- A few needed a bit more guidance than the new player experience offered, yes, but they were eager to learn the game. In fact, they all seem to be having a pretty awesome time in general! Many ships lost, many good fights had. While I recognize this is a limited sample size, I have trouble imagining that the wider picture is too far off from what I am seeing with these newbies.


your talking about recruitment

he is talking about new players who dont join corps because they dont know how

stop confusing one subject with another to make your point


I don't /care/ if he's not talking about recruitment and I wasn't attempting to 'make a point'. I was addressing a very specific statement because I feel it is in error, and thus should not be taken as a valid part of the larger discussion.

But I'll bite. All eight of the afforementioned new players to the game chose to join a player corp instead of stay in the NPC one.
Aphsala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#178 - 2015-04-04 14:40:00 UTC
The way Eve is makes me question why new players are actually not started in there perspective FW corporations.

Games meant to be built on PvP, then well start them out there and if players drop corp make them drop corp back to the FW corp
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#179 - 2015-04-04 15:07:48 UTC
30 min killing a dead structure is fun.... i guess....
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#180 - 2015-04-04 15:08:03 UTC
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Iam The Flash wrote:
Klaus Tylar wrote:
Max Deveron wrote:
And lets face it....most new players are not having any fun.


Of the eight new players I have recruited in the past couple months, none of them have complained about not having fun- A few needed a bit more guidance than the new player experience offered, yes, but they were eager to learn the game. In fact, they all seem to be having a pretty awesome time in general! Many ships lost, many good fights had. While I recognize this is a limited sample size, I have trouble imagining that the wider picture is too far off from what I am seeing with these newbies.


your talking about recruitment

he is talking about new players who dont join corps because they dont know how

stop confusing one subject with another to make your point


I don't /care/ if he's not talking about recruitment and I wasn't attempting to 'make a point'. I was addressing a very specific statement because I feel it is in error, and thus should not be taken as a valid part of the larger discussion.

But I'll bite. All eight of the afforementioned new players to the game chose to join a player corp instead of stay in the NPC one.

Yay for them.

So did the player corp go out and get farmed by BL which resulted in "many ships lost"?


They sound like very ... brave ... newbies

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?