Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I think we can all agree that nullsec should be dangerous. But reasonably so and that's where the problems start for the hunters and the residents.

The Hunters obviously want a system where they can get in and out, kill a few people and leave. Currently there is no way to stop this, the only tools we have to our disposal are local chat intel and bubbles.

Forming fleets is never fast enough to catch someone when they enter home space and we have absolutely no tools available to fight someone in home space, if they don't want to. None. There is nothing you can do as a defender to force a fight. There are enough examples of MWD fit faction ships that are effectively combate scan immune because scan+warp time allows them to warp somewhere else or just burn 100km+.

Camp the gates? All of them? For how long? Hours, Days? Bubble everything? Babysit everything? This is simply not feasible. This is the exact kind of weaponisation of boredom the new sov is intended to remove.

Observation Arrays could be the tools to force fights. That's all I want from them, really.

Is it too much to ask that when you come to my home, kill my friends and **** on my rug so to speak, that I get the chance to fight you?

Can my corporation prevent personal/out of corp structures in a system? Using some kind of module? Or observatory structure?

okay some constructive feedback...


the current starmap statistic filters are listed here: http://i.imgur.com/8eiLQls.png?2

Of those the most widly used in the intel community are:
Cyno fields
ships destroyed in the last hour
ships in space in the past 30 minutes

In that order.
The issue with these stats are that they're cached in set specific intervals so you're never sure that the data you're seeing refers to the time frame specified, as the language used hints at using you as a marker for a time frame, where in fact you're not.

Other out of game websites store and analyse this kind of data to provide clearer more meaningful intelligence for the general Eve Public then the data in the client in its current form gives. So logically its the preferred choice.

Due to the fact 'pilots in space in the last 30 minutes' is a dubious and inaccurate form of intel it is only rarely used as a tool to scout ships through hostile systems. Even then id say the majority of those end badly, and is why scouting yourself, or having someone scout +1 jump from you is the preferred method.

Therefore it stands to reason that playing around with these metrics will have little impact on how people conduct themselves in game. They will still use out of game website that store correlate and nit together data to form solid intel, they wil still +1 scout themselves or others, etcetera.



D-scan disruption is already a thing with the mobile scan inhibitor, but unfortunately the deployable itself is not dscan proof and therefore totally nullifies the entire point that the deployable is attempting to achieve - fixing this should be the easiest and best thing to do. Hiding a d-scan disruption in a service slot in a L size structure helps but allowing it to extend dscan disruption to the entire system i believe is too powerful, possibly AU range from the structure yes, but not system wide.

i do however believe d-scan should be disrupted by line of sight celestial obstructions eg planets / moons to create tactical elements of being able to hide your ship behind the mass of a planet.


by this i imagine you mean targeted ship intelligence eg cargo and ship scanners (including capacitor levels) and potentially killmail accuracy? its quite vague and to be honest, cargo and ship scanners are not often used unless you're delving into cap warfare or ganking on gates in highsec.

i would like to see killmail accuracy be reduced significantly however. But not based on a service slot upgrade. Instead overall, so for example killmails to only show dropped items and aggressing pilots. Pod killmails stay the same as the body drops and the implants (although mangled beyond use) are still in the dead capsuleers head.

far too much information is gleamed out of killmails these days and killmail hosting sites kile zkillboard are a go to point of intel on knowing with a fairly high probability what a hostiles ship may be fitted with. Alongside 3rd party tools like EFT a countering solution can be crafted fairly quickly by others, destroying the possibility of a good fight.



The current system for player tracking is awkward to get into, and to some extend does provide a barrier of entry to stop it from becoming overused, but because the mechanic has remained static for so long many player groups have gamed it to the point they have a plethora of players that can log an alt in and run a high level locator agent.

The accuracy and speed is okay for tracking capitals and supercapitals but for pilots in subcaps its too slow, something i think is good for balance. However tieing a disruptive element to it based on the standings of the player being tracked would be an interesting and logical addition. asking an agent of gallente navy to find someone with higher standing to the gallente navy shouldnt return great results.

Also installing locator agents in XL structures makes the whole process less convoluted in an area that to be honest the barrier of entry is gone regardless. Theres a lot of other nuances about this that can be explored, including but not limited to NPC pirate tag payment, faction standing for NPC pirate tags and vice versa, addition disruptive effects based on bribes...



This i believe is too far, or if done intelligently can maybe be on the very edge of being a balanced system. Personally ive lived and fought in sovereign nullsec for the majority of my eve life, i've recently been a victim of the dreaded afk cloaky camping mechanic and ive followed the discussion about afk camping in the forums. My honest opinion of cloaking is it is not broken or overpowered. the overpowered mechanic is an associated mechanic used in conjunction with cloaking that has given cloaking a bad rep. that mechanic is cynos. Specifically covert cynos, and the ability for black ops battleships to open bridges in the safety of the docking range of a station.

the only way i can see a mechanic of cloaked ship detection being not overpowered is to have a moderately long spool up time (say 30 minutes) and a long cool down timer (say 1 hour and 30 minutes) where the structure or service creates a new probable signature in space that can be warped to once probed, and indicates the location of the cloaked ship when the structure or service was initiated, meaning the artificially created sig indicates where the cloaked ship was 30 minutes ago.
if the ship is actually afk but traveling cloaked, sov holders can connect the dots so-to-speak and determine a direction the cloaked ship is heading.

So you dont want or are going away from the auto shoting AI of POS to favor of AI of sentry guns and NPC protecting Null assets?


Does not compute.

The Devs are removing the AI for pos guns etc in the new structures. You will have to take control of the pos or defend them, use it or lose it.

Do you even read my posts?

I agree with this. I'm not advocating for a magical wonderweapon that blapps you the moment you enter a system.

I'm advocating for something that if you sit in space you don't own for literally hours, you should be catchable. That doesn't even mean you're going to lose the fight, that doesn't mean you're going to lose your ship.

It just means that if you're stupid enough to go to hostile space and stick around the hostile should have a chance to fight back.

i had a similar thought on this and your linked proposal is interesting, however somewhat overpowered to the hostiles (especially the temp offlining of a gate part)

im always cautious of writing a big wall of text piece explaining ideas i have that would be cool in eve because of the discouraging aspects of reading a ton of stuff.

constructive feedback is a different matter as i see that as directed purely at devs who do take the time to read the feedback threads thoroughly.

First it is not arbitrary. You can only warp to things that are in range of the array. And you can avoid a 5AU sphere. If you are in a larger ship than a frigate the sphere you would have to avoid would be larger (since your signature would be bigger). But you still can avoid it. Also if you warp to something cloaked you don't know where you warp to. You only know the signature size.

But the real problem with your "argument" is, that it is not even an argument. Saying it should not be in a certain way is no reason just an opinion.



I don't have a problem with current cloak mechanics and a lot of people don't. And since the people that don't like the mechanics are sov owners and ccp wants to nerf large sov coalitions ... If they are consequent they shouldn't help them to be more safe.

My proposed system detects you if you get too close to an Observation array that can detect cloaked ships. So you can use these Observation arrays as protection. But a cloaked person could still sit in the system as long as they please as long as they stay away from your arrays.
If you want to get into this zone you have to carfully deactivate them one after the other. If you succeed you have the advantage of suprise and can hot drop or gank someone. If you fail - you get detected and have to get out as fast as possible - since the OAs provide warp-ins (if they have enough scan res).
Place OAs near your ratting space and you get a warning.
The OAs could even warn everyone in the corporation about the detection and send a message. You wouldn't even have to check d-scan or local then.

But as a cloaked person you still have the abilitys to circumvent these arrays. I don't know what your problem with that is...

I should probably add - since we are talking about piloting around these OAs. We would need manual piloting on a solar system wide scale. So being able to warp to a point in the solar system you click.

I mean since those arrays would pretty much act as colliders on grid. You need to avoid coming closer than 2km to something on grid and you would need to avoid coming closer to a OA closer than their scan range in the solar system. You really need manual piloting for that.

EDIT: of course you still wouldn't be able to cancel warp

Then maybe make it that you can't bridge near a station/strukture.
But this has nothing to do with afk cloaking...