Player Features and Ideas Discussion

===Market hubs===

OPTIONS.

Maybe the default is homogenous, with trade/office/clones/insurance/customisation all provided at some level. Perhaps smaller structures have less immediate access to everything, instead with some built in access.

But then the fitting/upgrading comes into play.

Basic upgrades would hopefully come with little cost other than the slots or whatever they fit into.

More impressive upgrades may come at significant fitting cost, or even at the detriment of other services, making them less attractive or entirely unavailable.

- Trading could see an increase in the maximum amount of orders a player could list at that structure, adjustments in terms of tax (basic access should see higher taxes than normal, as the benefit is the utility of having the market wherever it's been placed) and allow for increased ranges of influence. Higher upgrades could allow for the owner to collect more of the taxes through normal trade, or to allow for increased (possible trans-regional) visibility. Debuffs may include higher taxes, massively reduced number of listings per player or perhaps even reduced visibility (seen from upto x jumps away or only in constellation, not region).

- Offices could increase or decrease in number, cost and utility provided as per upgrades. Not a whole lot of flexibility in these.

- Cloning is entirely dependent on what happens to it. I cannot comment on this at the time.

- Insurance depends on what is implied here - NPC or player insurance. At this point I cannot comment.

- Customisation could provide the option for players to apply ship skins that are owned and rented/offered on standings by the station or module they're at. The customisation upgrades could allow players to take on skins they don't normally have access to, which would persist until removed elsewhere.

In all cases, increases to the utility and capability of a section should come at limited cost to others, but extensive upgrades (ie specialising) would mean the others would suffer. OPTIONS, CHOICES, that kind of thing.

==Harvesting==

Oh MY.

In this area, I'd consider MANY things to be on the table.

There's options for structures that do boosting of mining capabilities of ships in system, or platforms that mine autonomously. There's room for perhaps supplying some industrial depot with ships such as ventures that can mine automatically (at a reduced rate) for the individual and for the group. Such ships could be spawned into anomalies, signatures or just in space to be scanned down allowing for interdiction on a smaller scale that a siege.

Scale and autonomy I feel are the biggest ones here. Options that allow players to go off and do other things (like moon mining does, or PI does) rather than actively not play the game (asteroid mining and netflix). Being able to scale up individual platforms with upgrades, supplies and perhaps skills could lead to a new means of industrial might, and give many smaller groups or players that feeling of an empire of many. After all, a capsuleer's pocket should be able to fund entire colonies of humans to work in various ways for them!

I'm imagining dragging fitted ships into a "Fleet composition" window at a platform, such as perhaps an orca, 5 covetors and 2 falcons. With some basic AI options (Always flee, flee if attacked, never flee) selected per ship, the 'fleet' could spawn as a cosmic signature to go about business, and be an interesting means of PvP. In the illustrated fleet, the Orca and covetors could be set to always flee if someone warps in, but the falcons might be set to flee if damaged, meaning they'll try to jam first (freeing the barges hopefully) before then bailing when the enemy targets them. Obviously no AI will be truly clever, but using existing rat AI with certain checks (such as what range a ship can operate at or is it being locked) should be sufficient.

Content where a player's job is to do nothing but sit and watch the almost unchanging scene (mining) should be done away with, and these platforms can be the answer to that!

==Post Harvesting==

See the trade hub section, but apply the concept to this area. Choice, adaptation, cost benefit, specialisation etc.

Will there be a mechanic to move these new structures from place to place, even from one solar system to another? Part of the nice part about getting rid of standings requirements was that one could relocate a POS based on system indices, etc. I don't see me repackaging a large structure that is 40km in size. However it seems implied that the drilling platform structure will be moving from place to place. How will this be accomplished with these, as well as all other, structures?

one word, planetcracker.

It's disruption but not pvp (you are shooting red crosses not players). Also by doing npc deployment scavengers would replace the need for any type of mining ship or player. You cannot replace the entire backbone of Eve (your mining fleets) with this thing.

It is PvP...just not very fun or engaging PvP.

Why not do this exact same thing between actual players rather than sanctioning afk mine bots?

These mining bots will be operating 23.5 hours a day, 7 days a week and the amount of times they actually get disrupted by actual players who can be bothered to shoot crosses will be minimal.



and how come PI will be a market hub thing rather than a drilling platform thing?

rather then having ncps be spawned to haul even just small stuff for you the contract system should be reworked to a much more accessible and customizable system where everyone docked at a station takes a glimpse at to see if there is some hauling to do that happens to be on my way, fits my wallet and cargo space.

*oh someone wants something to be hauled from jita to ami? well that fits nicely into my route to antem, I have the cargo space too and enough money for the escrow, easy 2mil!

that all just behind one click should be the goal.

this and this again, we need to know answer to this for sure

...small gangs should be able to disrupt big alliances moon mining

Allow players to drop mining platforms that will slowly chew a system belt they are deployed on.
On very slow , slow rate - let say 3 days to complete usual system belt in null sec.
During this time you need to defend this structure both from NPC and player attacks.

This will only work when you have 23/7 coverage.

Yes players will drop this on all belts in a system , but again this will be grate place for spawning small gang warfare, and good RESOURCE income for alliances.
Alliances instead of isk for ships could provide then T1 Hulls as SRP.

Can I setup Clones and Markets in wspace?

If we get markets and personal storage in station in wspace, but the structure is owned /anchored by a corporation, will directors/CEO have total access to that storage? And the ability to cancel/claim market orders/contracts by other players at that station?

If players will be able park the new structures wherever they want, they'd likely want to plant them in or very near (on grid) asteroid fields. The new XL structures are supposed to be 100km across, which is about twice the size of a big asteroid field. Asteroid fields would need to be much bigger or this would be and look silly.

I am OK with the drilling platforms being used directly for PI and moon mining, but 1000% against them being used to directly mine ore or ice. The ultimate in AFK Carebearery.