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Did the break out threads happen?

I'm not going to debate that FW is, um, an interesting case. My former FC, now unsubbed, orbited buttons to make something like 6Bn ISK so that he wouldn't have to worry about ISK for a good while. (I tried, on another character, and gave up in despair. I would rather watch paint dry: at least I would know that at the end, I'd done something to improve the house.)

But that's LP, right? LP has the value it has because you find out how to maximally spend it to satisfy player demand on the market, right? And you presumably do a better job of hauling your goods to market than the miserable freighters full of implants that end up on Bat Country's killboard, yes? But you're still putting the stuff in space, in the game, on the way to market. That's emergent play! We like that.

Now, consider that one of my old alliance-mates, since unsubscribed, had a million LP and no clear idea what to do with it. I can't remember what kind of LP, but in that quantity it hardly matters. Hell, I have a bunch of it lying around, because :effort:, and because I'm currently playing Skill Training Online.

The (potential) value of LP, and the way that value is realized, exposes one of the systemic flaws in nullsec. The nearest equivalents (because they produce goods that are sold to players) are moons and mining, and what state are those in? Where are they sold?



1) yes, as I mentioned, you can twist the missioning system until it screams, because it's archaic and half-implemented. I believe that people like you who take the considerable, and unusual extra effort to wring out every last bit of reward from the system should be compensated for it. I also believe that there are not many of you. After all, every single AFKtar is a judgment that a considerable loss in ISK/hr is worth not having to pay attention to ratting, right? But you do this because you enjoy it.

2) OK, and how many people do that? When you factor in all the flying to different locations, what's your ISK/hr? What's the up-front investment necessary to even get in to do that? I bet that it's a lot more than an AFKtar, let alone an old (and probably obsolete) ratting Talos.

3) You have a carrier. I can't even fly one. How many people can? and of those, how many people are confident enough to put them at risk in low sec, running L5s?



According to various noises from CCP, missions are on the (eventual) chopping block.

You'll have no argument from me about the absurdity of the coward Atron/billionaire SB problem.

Heh, that just goes to show you don't understand me, or my point of view. (but then, you weren't trying, you just want something to rail against)

I'm fully in favor of harassing renters. I did it for a long time. But I'd like to them to actually have a chance.

There are no "helpless" freighters in highsec, because highsec is just so very safe. You have to fail extremely hard to die under those circumstances.

But this? This is like adding a zero to Concord response time. You know, making it possible to gank a freighter with four catalysts. I'd be against that too, if they proposed it. This amounts to lowering the bar so far, that what once required a commitment of several Dreadnaughts now require the commitment of a frigate and a handful of money.

There is almost no commitment on the part of the defender, and everything to gain, up to and including the destruction of an iHub. I'm against turning the game into a job for everyone, no matter what part of space they live in, and that's what this does for sov holders.





No, that's just your confirmation bias talking. I'm not a goon, either, much as though you'd delight in assuming that anyone who disagrees with your inane ranting is one.

What? Multi boxing can be done on 1 screen with various programs.

I hope CCP reads this and takes note.

It's amazing how many times peoples confirmation biases are tossed about with respect to the CFC. You just don't get it, when people say we can't be motivated to do something wrist slittingly bad to them, repeatedly for months, we will do it, just because we can then get off on proving you wrong. Add in that this mechanic for sov as proposed is hilariously open to abuse by a group motivated enough to abuse it to destruction and you have the recipe for a perfect fire storm. The CFC will burn new eden sov null to the ground using these mechanics.

If CCP pre-nerfed everything that people were able to theorycraft into a disaster, nothing in EVE would ever be useable.

POS bashing, c6 wormhole escalations, and POS bashing.

Fountain had an endgame, a light at the end of the tunnel. That will no longer be the case, you'll have to constantly beat down people who contest your ownership of the whole of nullsec, assuming you actually manage to capture as much space as your alliance seems to think it can.

POSs, escalating. Asaki (how do you spell that?) was started over a Cobalt moon, not particularly special or rare. And yet it spawned a massive supercap fight.

Fights will still escalate in the new system, even without mountains of EHP to grind though.