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Hellois Dawn
The Outlet
#21 - 2015-03-05 17:02:24 UTC
Im sure that posts like this are designed to make everyone feel inadequate.

I can make 1.5 Billion in an hour and 15 minutes when im good.

But most of my time im scanning or being scanned or im running. Plus i have 6 billion isk on the line at all times.
Miali Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2015-03-05 21:39:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Miali Askulf wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
It would be greatly appreciated for more lowsec/wh folks to chime in and confirm if those numbers look accurate.


L5 mission income is hard to quantify - some are easy and crazy lucrative, a few are going to be very difficult without multiple pilots (which will reduce your isk/character of course) or a very quiet system and a carrier. The LP values are typically horrible compared to the easy ~2k/lp you can get in highsec as well.

250m/hour is possible for sure, but only with lucky mission rolls - quite a lot of the time you won't have something you can easily run solo and if you're using multiple characters, you should take that into account.


lvl 5 mission blitzing is no different than blitzing any other mission. If you have the standings, it's easy. I do it all the time, with 1 character, and 250 mil an hour only happens if I have to go afk for 30 minutes during that hour.

It takes knowing where to do the missions. finding a lvl 5 mission agent in low sec that has station systems adjacent. I have 1 carrier in the system where the agent is and 2 carriers in the systems next door. I never have to jump a gate or cyno. I decline missions that don't allow carriers (ie missions with gates) and I decline missions that isn't in one of the 3 systems I have carriers in.

With fit and fighters those 3 carriers cost my 6 bil. I made the isk for that in null sec and also day tripping into c3 wormhole sin a Gila. Best investment I ever made. I still do faction warfare missions in a purifier too (it's just crazy as hell to make 2-300 mil an hour with a stealthbomber, I accept like 8 missions at a time and make my way around to them then back home and cash out the LP when the time is right, tier 4 and above lol).

But back to l5 missions, luck has nothing to do with it, knowing how to blitz does.


Yeah, I was talking about doing them in subcaps. Using a carrier is obviously a bit different.
Poena Loveless
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-03-06 08:43:59 UTC
Generalized wormhole numbers are wildly inaccurate.
You also make no comparison between the risk involved between a 250mil AFK ishtar and a 15-18B Capital + T3 support Gang doing wormhole sites.

Might as well put up
Suicide Ganking: 20mil-8B/hour
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#24 - 2015-03-06 09:15:29 UTC
Quote:
I made the isk for that in null sec and also day tripping into c3 wormhole sin a Gila.

You can run C3 sites in a Gila?Shocked

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#25 - 2015-03-06 09:28:17 UTC
Damjan Fox wrote:
Quote:
I made the isk for that in null sec and also day tripping into c3 wormhole sin a Gila.

You can run C3 sites in a Gila?Shocked


Gila can tank up to ~1000 dps in semi cheap passive fit. And do 600 dps or so yes it can do c3's
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#26 - 2015-03-06 09:50:27 UTC
Quote:
Gila can tank up to ~1000 dps in semi cheap passive fit.

Omnitanked? Can you show me such a fit?

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#27 - 2015-03-06 09:56:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Warmonger Simon
Damjan Fox wrote:
Quote:
Gila can tank up to ~1000 dps in semi cheap passive fit.

Omnitanked? Can you show me such a fit?


1k Omni-tank ; 600 total dps ; 14k buffer and 60k ehp , shield op/management 2% implants all skills @ V
http://take.ms/OfV8p , with more bling you could probably get more tank/damage. There are probably better fits, but this was just as an example.
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#28 - 2015-03-06 10:09:42 UTC
Warmonger Simon wrote:
Damjan Fox wrote:
Quote:
Gila can tank up to ~1000 dps in semi cheap passive fit.

Omnitanked? Can you show me such a fit?


1k Omni-tank ; 600 total dps ; 14k buffer and 60k ehp , shield op/management 2% implants all skills @ V
http://take.ms/OfV8p , with more bling you could probably get more tank/damage. There are probably better fits, but this was just as an example.


Thank you.
It doesn't show in the picture, but i assume you fitted augmented hammerheads.

I don't know the layout of the C3 sites, but not having a prop mod, i guess the 60km drone and 47km missile range is enough to hit everything?

And most importantly, what about the drone aggro? Wouldn't the sleepers rip up my drones, before i have the chance to recall them at those ranges?

Proposal: >>> New Inventory / Item Hangar <<<
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#29 - 2015-03-06 10:17:58 UTC
Carry mobile depot and refit as needed, 1k dps tank is not needed in 90% of C3 sites. ~600-700 will do most just fine so swapping one drone link aug in a place is always a possibility/losing one of relays for drone damage mod. If you're doing normal anomalies only 740 is max tank you'll need given you don't shoot triggers first. As far as drones go yes correct i placed 2x augumented hammers in there for fitting purposes , sometimes they get targeted but with gilas bonus their ehp is huge and you'll have no problem recalling them in case that's needed.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#30 - 2015-03-06 13:39:01 UTC
Poena Loveless wrote:
Generalized wormhole numbers are wildly inaccurate.
You also make no comparison between the risk involved between a 250mil AFK ishtar and a 15-18B Capital + T3 support Gang doing wormhole sites.

Might as well put up
Suicide Ganking: 20mil-8B/hour


No his numbers aren't 'wildly inaccurate', they are just low balled

And i guess you didn't actually read what he posted?
Mr Omniblivion wrote:


Wormholes
C6 sites*: 400+ mil per hour. Varies wildly requiring escalations, etc.
C5 sites*: 200-400+mil per hour. Requires finding appropriate sites and a hole out of your staging.
C3/C4 sites*: 100-300+mil per hour. See above
C2/C1 sites*: Roughly nullsec income, better to do c3+
Data/Relic sites*: 70-200 mil per hour. Varies wildly depending on luck.
Gas Mining*: 50-100 mil per hour. Requires appropriate gas sites, gas varies wildly. Can be done in a low skill Venture.
*Note: requires considerable logistics, scouts, etc. Income varies a considerable amount depending on activity and some luck.


And what does an afk ishtar have to do with wormholes in the 1st place?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2015-03-06 13:46:09 UTC
Warmonger Simon wrote:
Carry mobile depot and refit as needed, 1k dps tank is not needed in 90% of C3 sites. ~600-700 will do most just fine so swapping one drone link aug in a place is always a possibility/losing one of relays for drone damage mod. If you're doing normal anomalies only 740 is max tank you'll need given you don't shoot triggers first. As far as drones go yes correct i placed 2x augumented hammers in there for fitting purposes , sometimes they get targeted but with gilas bonus their ehp is huge and you'll have no problem recalling them in case that's needed.


Perfectly well said.

I bring a mix of tech 2 hammerheads and Fed navy Hammerheads. The faction drones tank like a sumbitch with gila bonuses , worth a little less paper DPS. Hell, that Gila is a champ in a fight with people too, I escaped like 3 time by popping in warp core stabs and medium neuts (had some help from sleeperss switching aggro too lol) ALWAYS have a Mobil depot deployed and ready.

And always have the right stuff in cargo, cloak, probe launcher and probes, cargo expanders, warp core stabs, ammo (duh), scanning modules, Mobil tractor, and i'm sure I'm forgetting something, I'm not in game right now.
Warmonger Simon
Trinity Alpha Zero
#32 - 2015-03-06 13:49:24 UTC
Probably forgetting salvagers if you don't have a specific alt/ship you take there after bookmarking wrecks.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-03-06 13:53:23 UTC
Warmonger Simon wrote:
Probably forgetting salvagers if you don't have a specific alt/ship you take there after bookmarking wrecks.


That's it, salvagers and salvage drones. I HAVE brought 2 gilas before, and since the missiels aren't that much extra dps, I went with 3 launchers, 1 energy transfer, 1 deadpsace small remote shield rep (cheap) on both. The gila tanks enough passively for the sites in a c3, the remote repping was there in case bad guys landed on me, which they sometimes do lol.
PowerFromHouwer
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2015-03-06 15:34:29 UTC
Miali Askulf wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
It would be greatly appreciated for more lowsec/wh folks to chime in and confirm if those numbers look accurate.


L5 mission income is hard to quantify - some are easy and crazy lucrative, a few are going to be very difficult without multiple pilots (which will reduce your isk/character of course) or a very quiet system and a carrier. The LP values are typically horrible compared to the easy ~2k/lp you can get in highsec as well.

250m/hour is possible for sure, but only with lucky mission rolls - quite a lot of the time you won't have something you can easily run solo and if you're using multiple characters, you should take that into account.


Indeed, i'm missing the number of characters part. But getting 250 mil an hour with 2 chars in tengu's is quite rare. 200 mil is more plausible
Shey Nabali
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2015-03-07 01:33:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Shey Nabali
PowerFromHouwer wrote:
Miali Askulf wrote:
Mr Omniblivion wrote:
It would be greatly appreciated for more lowsec/wh folks to chime in and confirm if those numbers look accurate.


L5 mission income is hard to quantify - some are easy and crazy lucrative, a few are going to be very difficult without multiple pilots (which will reduce your isk/character of course) or a very quiet system and a carrier. The LP values are typically horrible compared to the easy ~2k/lp you can get in highsec as well.

250m/hour is possible for sure, but only with lucky mission rolls - quite a lot of the time you won't have something you can easily run solo and if you're using multiple characters, you should take that into account.


Indeed, i'm missing the number of characters part. But getting 250 mil an hour with 2 chars in tengu's is quite rare. 200 mil is more plausible



In about 3-4 hours(I took breaks here and there and wasn't really tracking it that closely) last night, I made a little over 1.4 million LP with two characters running missions. I used a single faction standing pulling alt to pull missions, and ran them with a thanatos. I cashed out the LP at about 550 isk per LP, so around 800m isk. I was running them pretty slowly, as it was the first time I had run them in months, most people I know would have made closer to 3m LP in the same amount of time.

250/m hour is EASY, and double that is absolutely achievable.

EDIT: I don't really count isk/character because I use both pilots regularly for PvP.
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2015-03-07 23:20:32 UTC
Updated the nullsec section to remove the ishtar specific and added in all drone subcaps. There are a variety of drone boats utilized in nullsec (gilas, ishtars, VNIs, rattlesnakes)- all of which are viable.
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-03-07 23:23:18 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Lowsec combat exploration : extreme variation. From 40mio (mostly bounties) up to 2bio a site. All in all around 120 mio per hour


Do you have any data to back up that estimated hourly income rate? That sounds a bit high from my exploration experience in null (yes, I have done a lot of exploration personally in null while doing spacejob things)
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2015-03-07 23:25:13 UTC
Hellois Dawn wrote:
Im sure that posts like this are designed to make everyone feel inadequate.

I can make 1.5 Billion in an hour and 15 minutes when im good.

But most of my time im scanning or being scanned or im running. Plus i have 6 billion isk on the line at all times.




While that figure is attainable at some points, I doubt that you are able to consistently do that. Thus, the hourly averages I posted were more of an average value over time, considering the work that must be done to secure your holes and actually get those sites.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-03-08 00:21:33 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
“We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a ****-ton… in null sec anomalies. “ - See more at: http://evenews24.com/2015/03/07/eve-2-0-an-economy-of-violence/#sthash.sFkMg872.dpuf


So there's that.. Nice stealth "nerf hi sec" thread.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#40 - 2015-03-08 01:08:05 UTC
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
“We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a ****-ton… in null sec anomalies. “ - See more at: http://evenews24.com/2015/03/07/eve-2-0-an-economy-of-violence/#sthash.sFkMg872.dpuf


So there's that.. Nice stealth "nerf hi sec" thread.



Yay, someone else who isn't interested in the truth.