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Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2015-03-15 21:54:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Update 30.05.2012
Important:
Patch Carnyx: Frequency of Burner Missions offered by level 4 Security agents has been lowered.

So all numbers are outdated and to high.
More information where to farm LvL 4

I actually didn't want to reveal these numbers before i did my "How to blitz LvL 4 guide" but i guess i will never finish it anyway.
Numbers are with a perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.

Average number of Burner missions were 7.6/h
(to clarify that does not mean you aren't doing normal mission in a 1h session, it just means it is the average amount of Burner missions you get with declining any bad normal missions. You can't force pure Burner missions)
All numbers were gained via over +20h gaming time and specifically aiming for Burner missions
With a conversion rate for LP at 2000

System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

System security = 0.520
ISK/h = 125.89m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 124,588
Wealth/h ~ 373m

System security = 0.723
ISK/h = 101.94m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 92,892
Wealth/h ~ 285m


Only these normal mission were accepted and blitzed all other declined every time:
Recon - Part 1 only (in system)
Dread Pirate Scarlet (at max 2jumps out, if not decline)
Assault – Serpentis (in system)
Assault – Guristas (in system)
Enemies Abound - Part 1 only (at max 2jumps out, if not decline)
Pot and Kettle - Part 1 only (at max 2jumps out, if not decline)

No, i don't have any faction or agent standing problems. My faction standing is at +9 my agent standing is roughly at 0.
Yes, i can do this forever without any problems.

Extra edit:
On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more than 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.
Each Burner is 5m bounty + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

At absolute max and being lucky you can do ~10 to 11 Burner Missions per hour, if you try to force it you will screw you agent standing in the long term, you have to accept some of the best normal missions. Being unlucky with a bad mission streak your agent standing might get down close to -2 but that rarely happens and it will be back on avrg. at 0 soon.

Machariel Fit as some requested
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Gist B-Type 100MN Microwarpdrive
Pithum C-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
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Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-03-15 22:01:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Market McSelling Alt
Jori McKie wrote:
I actually didn't wanted to reveal these numbers before i did my "How to blitz LvL 4 guide" but i guess i will never finish it anyway.
Numbers are with a perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.

Average number of Burner missions were 7.6/h
All numbers were gained via over +20h gaming time and specifically aiming for Burner missions
With a conversion rate for LP at 2000

System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

System security = 0.520
ISK/h = 125.89m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 124,588
Wealth/h ~ 373m

System security = 0.723
ISK/h = 101.94m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 92,892
Wealth/h ~ 285m





And if you don't believe, i don't care.

WTB Burner mission that pays out 17.2mil isk please... in less than 8 minutes.

Also why the wild swings in bounties between the sec status?

Or how about this. An Agent burner pays out 2.66mil for the mission and a bonus of 2.66mil

Also at .7 sec status they are a 11,500 lp payout... The bounty is always 5mil.

Which means 10.32mil in mission pay and LP conversion of 23mil @ 2000 (lulz)

given you said 7.6 burners per hour, which I find hard to believe anyways, you are looking at 33.32mil x 7.6 even if you are getting the maximum payout Agent missions only... or 253.232mil

So on the surface your numbers are suspect, but add in the fact that you are eventually going to completely screw up your standings declining dozens of missions every hour just to get that many burners, and that you are often sent to lowsec for burners which will eventually result in a several hundred million isk frigate loss...

OK, sure, we believe you

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#63 - 2015-03-15 22:09:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
@Market McSelling Alt

On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more than 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.
Each Burner is 5m bountys + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

The difference in ISK/h is the system security, what else.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#64 - 2015-03-15 22:12:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Market McSelling Alt
Jori McKie wrote:
@Market McSelling Alt

On avrg. a Burner mission is 3 jumps out, if it is more you decline it. With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min.
Each Burner is 5m bountys + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

The difference in ISK/h is the system security, what else.



Wrong. The average distance is much more than 3 jumps. Osmon and Ap are where you are running your missions to get anywhere near the consistent lp conversion and both those in particular are going to send you into lowsec often.

Again, you listed the sec status of three SoE systems, which means I know the exact payouts, I listed Osmons exact payout and under perfect conditions and I mean absolutely perfect you are going to get 253mil/hr doing nothing but Burner Agents and ignoring repair, ammo and drone costs.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#65 - 2015-03-15 22:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
@Market McSelling Alt

On avrg. a Burner mission is 3 jumps out, if it is more you decline it. With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min.
Each Burner is 5m bountys + rewards + 10k to 14k LP depending on the system security.

The difference in ISK/h is the system security, what else.



Wrong. The average distance is much more than 3 jumps. Osmon and Ap are where you are running your missions to get anywhere near the consistent lp conversion and both those in particular are going to send you into lowsec often.

Again, you listed the sec status of three SoE systems, which means I know the exact payouts, I listed Osmons exact payout and under perfect conditions and I mean absolutely perfect you are going to get 253mil/hr doing nothing but Burner Agents and ignoring repair, ammo and drone costs.


You are doing it wrong then and if you do it in Osmon (Osmon sec is 0.680) you are a fool. Try Lanngisi, Nakugard. I fixed the avrg. jumps on Burner missions.
Quote:
On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more then 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.


The key is not to accept any Burner mission with more then 3 jumps out.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2015-03-16 00:42:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
I actually didn't wanted to reveal these numbers before i did my "How to blitz LvL 4 guide" but i guess i will never finish it anyway.
Numbers are with a perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.

Average number of Burner missions were 7.6/h
All numbers were gained via over +20h gaming time and specifically aiming for Burner missions
With a conversion rate for LP at 2000

System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

System security = 0.520
ISK/h = 125.89m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 124,588
Wealth/h ~ 373m

System security = 0.723
ISK/h = 101.94m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 92,892
Wealth/h ~ 285m





And if you don't believe, i don't care.

WTB Burner mission that pays out 17.2mil isk please... in less than 8 minutes.

Also why the wild swings in bounties between the sec status?

Or how about this. An Agent burner pays out 2.66mil for the mission and a bonus of 2.66mil

Also at .7 sec status they are a 11,500 lp payout... The bounty is always 5mil.

Which means 10.32mil in mission pay and LP conversion of 23mil @ 2000 (lulz)

given you said 7.6 burners per hour, which I find hard to believe anyways, you are looking at 33.32mil x 7.6 even if you are getting the maximum payout Agent missions only... or 253.232mil

So on the surface your numbers are suspect, but add in the fact that you are eventually going to completely screw up your standings declining dozens of missions every hour just to get that many burners, and that you are often sent to lowsec for burners which will eventually result in a several hundred million isk frigate loss...

OK, sure, we believe you


Lanngisi burners never take you to losec (Lanngisis is 0.46 sec status in a pocket with no losec and only one exit - Hek) and pay over 14k SOE LP which works out at 30 mill ISK per mission just from the LP. (more if you save the LP and cash it in at Amarr rather than Hek)

Getting enough of those can be an issue though. Having one agent limits you a lot.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#67 - 2015-03-16 02:21:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
I actually didn't wanted to reveal these numbers before i did my "How to blitz LvL 4 guide" but i guess i will never finish it anyway.
Numbers are with a perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.

Average number of Burner missions were 7.6/h
All numbers were gained via over +20h gaming time and specifically aiming for Burner missions
With a conversion rate for LP at 2000

System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

System security = 0.520
ISK/h = 125.89m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 124,588
Wealth/h ~ 373m

System security = 0.723
ISK/h = 101.94m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 92,892
Wealth/h ~ 285m





And if you don't believe, i don't care.

WTB Burner mission that pays out 17.2mil isk please... in less than 8 minutes.

Also why the wild swings in bounties between the sec status?

Or how about this. An Agent burner pays out 2.66mil for the mission and a bonus of 2.66mil

Also at .7 sec status they are a 11,500 lp payout... The bounty is always 5mil.

Which means 10.32mil in mission pay and LP conversion of 23mil @ 2000 (lulz)

given you said 7.6 burners per hour, which I find hard to believe anyways, you are looking at 33.32mil x 7.6 even if you are getting the maximum payout Agent missions only... or 253.232mil

So on the surface your numbers are suspect, but add in the fact that you are eventually going to completely screw up your standings declining dozens of missions every hour just to get that many burners, and that you are often sent to lowsec for burners which will eventually result in a several hundred million isk frigate loss...

OK, sure, we believe you


Lanngisi burners never take you to losec (Lanngisis is 0.46 sec status in a pocket with no losec and only one exit - Hek) and pay over 14k SOE LP which works out at 30 mill ISK per mission just from the LP. (more if you save the LP and cash it in at Amarr rather than Hek)

Getting enough of those can be an issue though. Having one agent limits you a lot.


Burners are not constellation limited like other missions... I have seen them ask you to go 14 jumps away, and if there is a low sec close by they tend to send you there. But don't take my word for it, take the hundreds of mission runners declining low sec Burners every day.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2015-03-16 03:01:14 UTC
What's wrong with doing a burner mission in lowsec?
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#69 - 2015-03-16 03:36:58 UTC
Those are certainly not average figures for highsec. You are best casing mission running, especially with your quoted LP figures. Unless you consider a partly faction fit Paladin to be a below average speed mission boat, in which case, again you are biasing your figures assuming perfect (& worth ganking) bling boats.

With regards to Null Sec incursions, have you taken into account the increase to 15 pilots on VG fleets and the effect that has on completion time even allowing for lower value fits? As that seems low for good VG fleets and 15 pilots with T2 should be faster than 10 with faction fits.
Unless again you aren't assuming average fits but the officer fit ISN bling fleets as your case study.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#70 - 2015-03-16 03:38:12 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:


Lanngisi burners never take you to losec (Lanngisis is 0.46 sec status in a pocket with no losec and only one exit - Hek) and pay over 14k SOE LP which works out at 30 mill ISK per mission just from the LP. (more if you save the LP and cash it in at Amarr rather than Hek)

Getting enough of those can be an issue though. Having one agent limits you a lot.

I had one yesterday sending me into lowsec from there. So.... No they don't never send you to lowsec. Though it is a lower chance.
Mr Omniblivion
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2015-03-16 04:25:35 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Those are certainly not average figures for highsec. You are best casing mission running, especially with your quoted LP figures. Unless you consider a partly faction fit Paladin to be a below average speed mission boat, in which case, again you are biasing your figures assuming perfect (& worth ganking) bling boats.

With regards to Null Sec incursions, have you taken into account the increase to 15 pilots on VG fleets and the effect that has on completion time even allowing for lower value fits? As that seems low for good VG fleets and 15 pilots with T2 should be faster than 10 with faction fits.
Unless again you aren't assuming average fits but the officer fit ISN bling fleets as your case study.


If you can show me data that proves otherwise, I'll gladly update it. From my own testing with a 1bil isk Tengu, I was able to pull those numbers. That was also without rejecting missions. If you optimize it, you can make hundred(s) of millions of ISK per hour blitzing, or less than a hundred million an hour casually missioning.

Null incursions are not done consistently enough to provide solid incomes for groups without them having to fully deploy to different (hostile) regions. We have a squad that does incursions as frequently as they can. Sure, while incursions are nice when they're nearby, having to deploy regions away means that only smaller groups are able to consistently participate in less than optimal sites. With the amount of coordination that goes into nullsec incursions, there is better risk/effort to reward ratio simply living in a WH.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#72 - 2015-03-16 05:04:29 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:


Lanngisi burners never take you to losec (Lanngisis is 0.46 sec status in a pocket with no losec and only one exit - Hek) and pay over 14k SOE LP which works out at 30 mill ISK per mission just from the LP. (more if you save the LP and cash it in at Amarr rather than Hek)

Getting enough of those can be an issue though. Having one agent limits you a lot.

I had one yesterday sending me into lowsec from there. So.... No they don't never send you to lowsec. Though it is a lower chance.



And the second problem with his statement is his math... Even if it was true that he was getting 14k lp from the Burner Mission (not all are that high) he is giving us 30mil isk as the conversion even though by his own words it should be 28mil.

He is simply fudging numbers to prove a point, but those of us who run these know that even on paper he is not entirely truthful with his calculations let alone the real world application of running such missions.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2015-03-16 08:03:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
My original post are avrg. numbers, lets do some reverse math for Lanngisi:
System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

Burner Mission in Lanngisi:
~ 5m bounty + 6.5m reward ~11.5m
~ 14k LP reward

130m/11.5m = 11.30 Burner mission per hour.
130,000/14,000 = 9.28 Burner mission per hour.
Those numbers mean, i wasn't doing Burner missions exclusively and i actually did a lot Assault. That explains the surplus of ISK and deficit of LP.

Anyway the best way is test it for yourself if you don't believe my numbers. Key points are:
- Perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.
- Don't accept Burner mission which are more than +3jumps out
- Don't accept normal mission out of the pool i posted here which are more than +2jumps out and always blitz them if possible
- Make sure your agent standing is at avrg. 0. In case you start fresh or have a very bad streak you might have to accept more normal mission out of this pool for Minmatar and Amarr agents.
Pirate Invasion – Angel
Attack of the Drones – Drones
Mining Misappropriation – Sansha
Stop The Thief – Mercs
Gone Berserk – EOM

avoid this pool if you can:
Unauthorized Military – Angel
Blockade – Angel
Pirate Invasion – Sansha
Damsel in Distress – Mercs
XXX Spies – Angel
Right Hand of Zazzmatazz – Mercs
Rogue Slave Trader 1+2 – Sansha
Infiltrated Outposts – Drone

And decline all other missions.


This is a copy/paste from my sheet for different runs in Lanngisi:
LP/h ISKm/h
129,797 131
122,487 117
120,110 119
138,956 134
125,218 126
129,281 143
142,656 146

Avrg.:
129,786 130.77

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Gary Bell
Herp Inc.dot
Darwinism.
#74 - 2015-03-16 11:52:59 UTC
Interesting thread.. Just wondering how the SmartBombing Ratters match up..

Although it requires 4 toons that is by far the some of the most lucrative isk in this game and it is a constant stream 24/7 anytime you want in null?

If it still works which I have not done it in like a year or more it was like 550-600 Mil an Hour not counting esculations and faction spawns which happen roughly 2 per hour once you get in a groove.

Not to mention the initial isk input of about 3 Bil for the proper ships and smartbombs, and the need for .8 or lower space. ( You need this space because you need at minimum 6 Havens so you have at least 3 gated, you can literally run them faster then they can spawn in any other space killing your isk per hour )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAMnfgbLT0
Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#75 - 2015-03-16 12:24:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Gary Bell wrote:
Interesting thread.. Just wondering how the SmartBombing Ratters match up..

Although it requires 4 toons that is by far the some of the most lucrative isk in this game and it is a constant stream 24/7 anytime you want in null?

If it still works which I have not done it in like a year or more it was like 550-600 Mil an Hour not counting esculations and faction spawns which happen roughly 2 per hour once you get in a groove.

Not to mention the initial isk input of about 3 Bil for the proper ships and smartbombs, and the need for .8 or lower space. ( You need this space because you need at minimum 6 Havens so you have at least 3 gated, you can literally run them faster then they can spawn in any other space killing your isk per hour )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hAMnfgbLT0


I had a buddy who did that and swore by it. To me, it was WAY too much work.

A much better, cheaper and easier and almost as lucrative set up is 4 Navy Ravens, all tech2 cheap fit, all with rigor rigs and Auto-Targetting missiles. Each had a target painter for initial aggro only (ie the very 1st time you warp into a site, each ship TPs something to tell the missiles "these npcs are your target" and after that you don't have to use the tp again, though I would every once in a while on a frig).

Every pilot has +3 missile implants for damage, rof and speed and application. I'd stagger the launches as well to reduce (you cannot eliminate) time lost to over-kill (I would start the missiles on one ship, count to 2, start them on another ship etc till I was finished).

Since ccp fixed auto-target missiles to not hit structures, it's just this massive wall of rigored auto-target cruise missiles sweeping a site. If you had enough forsaken hubs or havens it's 400+ per hour and the set up costs is WAY less than smart bombing, though their is ammo cost and the pain of making or moving a lot of missiles to where you rat. I haven't done it in 6 months (I dual box rattlesnakes now, mainly because it's hard for me keeping 4 characters in ratting space) but a buddy of mine does and swears by it still.

And yea, it still sucks that it takes you 4 ships to do in null what a stealth bomber can do in FW under the right circumstances.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#76 - 2015-03-16 12:26:09 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:
My original post are avrg. numbers, lets do some reverse math for Lanngisi:
System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

Burner Mission in Lanngisi:
~ 5m bounty + 6.5m reward ~11.5m
~ 14k LP reward

130m/11.5m = 11.30 Burner mission per hour.
130,000/14,000 = 9.28 Burner mission per hour.
Those numbers mean, i wasn't doing Burner missions exclusively and i actually did a lot Assault. That explains the surplus of ISK and deficit of LP.

Anyway the best way is test it for yourself if you don't believe my numbers. Key points are:
- Perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.
- Don't accept Burner mission which are more than +3jumps out
- Don't accept normal mission out of the pool i posted here which are more than +2jumps out and always blitz them if possible
- Make sure your agent standing is at avrg. 0. In case you start fresh or have a very bad streak you might have to accept more normal mission out of this pool for Minmatar and Amarr agents.
Pirate Invasion – Angel
Attack of the Drones – Drones
Mining Misappropriation – Sansha
Stop The Thief – Mercs
Gone Berserk – EOM

avoid this pool if you can:
Unauthorized Military – Angel
Blockade – Angel
Pirate Invasion – Sansha
Damsel in Distress – Mercs
XXX Spies – Angel
Right Hand of Zazzmatazz – Mercs
Rogue Slave Trader 1+2 – Sansha
Infiltrated Outposts – Drone

And decline all other missions.


This is a copy/paste from my sheet for different runs in Lanngisi:
LP/h ISKm/h
129,797 131
122,487 117
120,110 119
138,956 134
125,218 126
129,281 143
142,656 146

Avrg.:
129.786 130.77


You just told us you averaged 7.6 Burners per hour... so now you are just pulling crap out of your back end? You also claimed to do a Burner undock to dock in 6 minutes but now you are claiming to do more than 10 an hour?

All this while also doing regular missions on top?! just stop, you're busted.

Also, if you are running for Amarr or Min agents you are not getting anywhere near 2000isk/lp on a consistent basis. There is a very limted number of items from a very limited number of agents that can do that. Double busted.

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#77 - 2015-03-16 12:30:25 UTC

As a side note Reading this thread it's very clear that the divide is between the people who are actually good at PVE and the folks who, erm umh, are not so much and need to make excuses about why they can't do as well as others.

Good PVErs who take the time to learn how to get the most out of it while the poor ones spend all their time claiming "you can't do that, mainly because i can't do that so i know you can't do that" lol. Good PVErs also understand that their is always someone out their better than them.

Most times, the people claiming it can't be done haven't even tried.
Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#78 - 2015-03-16 12:45:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Jori McKie wrote:
My original post are avrg. numbers, lets do some reverse math for Lanngisi:
System security = 0.461
ISK/h = 130.77m (Bounty+Mission reward and time bonus)
LP/h = 129,786
Wealth/h ~ 390m

Burner Mission in Lanngisi:
~ 5m bounty + 6.5m reward ~11.5m
~ 14k LP reward

130m/11.5m = 11.30 Burner mission per hour.
130,000/14,000 = 9.28 Burner mission per hour.
Those numbers mean, i wasn't doing Burner missions exclusively and i actually did a lot Assault. That explains the surplus of ISK and deficit of LP.

Anyway the best way is test it for yourself if you don't believe my numbers. Key points are:
- Perfect skilled Machariel/Frigate char +5 damage imps + a high grade warp speed set and all other relevant skills at 5.
- Don't accept Burner mission which are more than +3jumps out
- Don't accept normal mission out of the pool i posted here which are more than +2jumps out and always blitz them if possible
- Make sure your agent standing is at avrg. 0. In case you start fresh or have a very bad streak you might have to accept more normal mission out of this pool for Minmatar and Amarr agents.
Pirate Invasion – Angel
Attack of the Drones – Drones
Mining Misappropriation – Sansha
Stop The Thief – Mercs
Gone Berserk – EOM

avoid this pool if you can:
Unauthorized Military – Angel
Blockade – Angel
Pirate Invasion – Sansha
Damsel in Distress – Mercs
XXX Spies – Angel
Right Hand of Zazzmatazz – Mercs
Rogue Slave Trader 1+2 – Sansha
Infiltrated Outposts – Drone

And decline all other missions.


This is a copy/paste from my sheet for different runs in Lanngisi:
LP/h ISKm/h
129,797 131
122,487 117
120,110 119
138,956 134
125,218 126
129,281 143
142,656 146

Avrg.:
129.786 130.77


You just told us you averaged 7.6 Burners per hour... so now you are just pulling crap out of your back end? You also claimed to do a Burner undock to dock in 6 minutes but now you are claiming to do more than 10 an hour?

All this while also doing regular missions on top?! just stop, you're busted.

Also, if you are running for Amarr or Min agents you are not getting anywhere near 2000isk/lp on a consistent basis. There is a very limted number of items from a very limited number of agents that can do that. Double busted.


You sure as hell have absolutely no clue.
Yes, i said the i get 7.6 Burner missions per hour on average, that does not mean i didn't do some normal mission too. Read my original post very carefully.
It says you have to accept some normal mission too otherwise your agent standing will be screwed in the long term aka you get below -2. You can't force pure Burner missions.

Again read carefully what i wrote:
Quote:
On avrg. a Burner mission is 2 jumps out, if it is more than 3 jumps you decline it (often you have 1 or 2 jumps out). With a Frig + warp speed imps you need ~35s per jump.
6jumps = 210s (3.5min)
Avrg. time for a Burner mission is ~2.5min
That's roughly 6min with maximal 3 jumps out.

That means the worst case aka 3jumps out will cost you 6min, you will have lots of 1 and 2 jump out Burner missions.
1 jump out time needed ~220s (~3.66min)
warp time = ~70s
kill time = avrg. 150s (there a lots of Burner missions you need only 60s to 80s to finish)
2 jumps out out time needed ~290s (~4.83min)
warp time = ~140s
kill time = avrg. 150s (there a lots of Burner missions you need only 60s to 80s to finish)


SOE missions in Lanngisi have the Minmatar mission pool.
Avrg. LP conversion rate for SOE (no tags needed) is still at 2000
Avrg. LP conversion rate for Minmatar with tags from sell orders in Jita is ~2200 (varies +-300, depending the day you buy)
Avrg. LP conversion rate for Amarr with tags from sell orders in Jita is ~2100 (varies +-300, depending the day you buy)

Of course the LP conversion does not apply to any "Navy" corps, you have to choose the right corp with a good LP shop aka 5 run BPCs.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Jenn aSide
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#79 - 2015-03-16 13:03:33 UTC
Jori McKie wrote:


You sure as hell have absolutely no clue.


That's putting it 'mildly' Twisted
Quote:

Yes, i said the i get 7.6 Burner missions per hour on average, that does not mean i didn't do some normal mission too. Read my original post very carefully.
It says you have to accept some normal mission too otherwise your agent standing will be screwed in the long term aka you get below -2. You can't force pure Burner missions.


You can't with a single toon. You can with an alt using the same "ping pong" method you'd use for lvl 5 missions (alt gets standings for every completed mission but doesn't take a hit when you decline, so you burn your main's standings, then start pulling missions with the alt, aka ping pong), but doing it with an alt means you have to take the alt into account for isk/hour calculations.

The best way is with an actual "real player" partner. Me and my buddy do this. He pulls his own missions and does his own missions and I do the same but we are in fleet so we are sharing rewards/standings. You can go indefinitely like this without tanking your standings as long as both of you are running at roughly the same rate. With a couple good drops (which are uncommon) I've made enough for a plex in a night using both methods.

But of course since McSelling alt can't do it what we are talking about must be impossible, right? Cool
Jori McKie
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#80 - 2015-03-16 13:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Jori McKie
@Jenn aSide

I know, that's one of the reasons why i posted my numbers here. My goal was to write a full "how to blitz LvL 4" and just see the faction item and tag market burn/explode but i'm to lazy/less time to do it.
The LP and ISK from declining bad LvL 4 to get as many Burner Missions as possible are ridiculous, if like 25% of all mission runner would do it the market would crash and you can already see the writing on the wall.

If you team up with a real partner in a fleet you sure as hell could do only Burner missions, i would love to see your numbers on that.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar