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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1481 - 2011-12-22 17:09:16 UTC
your trying way too hard
Rebirth Mining Director
#1482 - 2011-12-22 17:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebirth Mining Director
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
your trying way too hard

*sigh* Seriously?

Talk about a "never satisfied" mentality...

EDIT: The fact that you think I'm trolling because I'm saying hybrids are balanced now shows just how out of whack your thought process is...

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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1483 - 2011-12-22 17:14:24 UTC
it's so whacked bro
Rebirth Mining Director
#1484 - 2011-12-22 17:17:03 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
it's so whacked bro

Admitting it is the first step to recovery. Now we just need to work on basically everyone else in this thread. What?

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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1485 - 2011-12-22 17:18:31 UTC
the guns are not the issue its the platforms that use them asides from the proteus that are. i do not expect an orca pilot to understand this so, keep on keepin on troll
Rebirth Mining Director
#1486 - 2011-12-22 17:20:14 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
the guns are not the issue its the platforms that use them asides from the proteus that are. i do not expect an orca pilot to understand this so, keep on keepin on troll

This is the "i should win every fight" mentality I was talking about.

Having trouble getting into range? Bring a tackler. You know, that thing that has been a staple of eve game play since day one. Once tackled, roll on in with your blasters and **** face.

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Clara Sprudel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1487 - 2011-12-22 17:46:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Clara Sprudel
Rebirth Mining Director wrote:
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
the guns are not the issue its the platforms that use them asides from the proteus that are. i do not expect an orca pilot to understand this so, keep on keepin on troll

This is the "i should win every fight" mentality I was talking about.

Having trouble getting into range? Bring a tackler. You know, that thing that has been a staple of eve game play since day one. Once tackled, roll on in with your blasters and **** face.


Maybe you should read this whole thread again, you would see that it is not about a new gallente I-WIN-BUTTON.
People are discussing ways to make pvp more competitive for many situations, 1vs1, small fleets and large fleets.

I do not agree with Zarak1 in many points, but I agree with him that you are a troll.
You only post assumptions and try to offend people. There is allways someone like you who from time to time jumps into this thread and tries to sound very intelligent and proffesional.
If hybrids and the plattforms are fine for you go out and use them, give us some evidence, kill people and show the killmail, form a Gallente Blaster fleet and shoot the crap out of everyone and show us your great skill ;)
Rebirth Mining Director
#1488 - 2011-12-22 17:54:39 UTC
Clara Sprudel wrote:
People are discussing ways to make pvp more competitive for many situations, 1vs1, small fleets and large fleets.

But that's really my point, isn't it. There are ships that are very good in 1v1 that make use of every weapons system, hybrids included. Most of the suggestions in this thread are an attempt to make all hybrid boats everywhere able to kill anything in 1v1. That is bad and not how eve should work.

When you're talking about fleets, however, it's a totally different argument with even less substance. I've said it before and I'll say it again....

Clara Sprudel wrote:
form a Gallente Blaster fleet and shoot the crap out of everyone and show us your great skill ;)

Homogenization is bad. If you're flying a fleet composed entirely of Gallente blaster boats, you deserve to be kited and die in a fire. Bring some tackle. Bring some ranged weapons. Bring some e-war. Bring some logi. Get your enemy right where you want him, then obliterate them with blaster fire.

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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1489 - 2011-12-22 18:26:16 UTC
are you done soap boxing yet? would be nice to have a true dialogue instead of this non sense
Rebirth Mining Director
#1490 - 2011-12-22 18:30:36 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
are you done soap boxing yet? would be nice to have a true dialogue instead of this non sense

When you have a counter-point to something I've said, feel free to share it. I'll be happy to debate you to your heart's content.

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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1491 - 2011-12-22 19:24:12 UTC
there is nothing to discuss with you. you just want to retort and reiterate your troll post repeatedly. the rest of the folks who have been engaging in dialogue however were pleasant and reasonable.
Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1492 - 2011-12-22 19:25:30 UTC
Rebirth Mining Director wrote:

Homogenization is bad. If you're flying a fleet composed entirely of Gallente blaster boats, you deserve to be kited and die in a fire. Bring some tackle. Bring some ranged weapons. Bring some e-war. Bring some logi. Get your enemy right where you want him, then obliterate them with blaster fire.


So only winmatard should be able to form homo gangs? Like vaga vaga cyna cyna cane dramiel??? Cause thats what i see most of the time.
nerf matar now!!!
Rebirth Mining Director
#1493 - 2011-12-22 19:40:31 UTC
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
the rest of the folks who have been engaging in dialogue however were pleasant and reasonable.

What a surprise. You got along with the rest of your fellow "buff hybrids moar" circle jerk gang?

Naomi Knight wrote:
So only winmatard should be able to form homo gangs? Like vaga vaga cyna cyna cane dramiel??? Cause thats what i see most of the time.

That's because there's 2 way to counter a gang like that: ewar and longer range weapons on tanked hulls, or form your own angel homo gang. Most people choose the later because they're unoriginal.

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Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
#1494 - 2011-12-22 19:58:17 UTC
Rebirth you are correct that minmatar guns need to have explosive/kinetic damage in all their ammunition and yes Amarr ships need some more exciting bonuses instead of cap reduction (since projectiles and hybrids are now updated and lazors no longer seem overpowered).
But in return your attitude is all wrong... What a shame.

Pinky
Rebirth Mining Director
#1495 - 2011-12-22 20:21:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebirth Mining Director
Pinky Denmark wrote:
But in return your attitude is all wrong... What a shame.

Yeah, quite frankly: you're right.

In fact, I agree with nearly 100% of what you have said in every one of your posts for the entirety of this thread. Your ideas are well thought out and very rational. You've delivered them clearly and concisely. And you've been drowned out by the people shouting "GIVE BLASTERS MOAR DAMAGE AND NO CAP USE AND 60KM RANGE AND INSTANT RELOAD LOOLZ" from the rooftops at every opportunity.

And the sad part? There's a good chance CCP will listen to them, and not you, because they are louder.

EDIT: Also, to anyone who thinks I'm wrong about CCP paying attention to the loudest first? Ask yourself why traders dress the way they do on the floors of most futures exchanges.

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Zarak1 Kenpach1
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1496 - 2011-12-22 20:55:27 UTC
no, i got along with the people who were not assholes for the sake of being one. you obviously havent read any of the pages in this thread and where i stood on any of this stuff.

you are trolling very poorly
Rebirth Mining Director
#1497 - 2011-12-22 20:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rebirth Mining Director
Zarak1 Kenpach1 wrote:
no, i got along with the people who were not assholes for the sake of being one. you obviously havent read any of the pages in this thread and where i stood on any of this stuff.

you are trolling very poorly

Who are you again? Go away kid, the grownups are talking.

Christ, what an attention whore you are, Zarak. Lol

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Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#1498 - 2011-12-22 21:38:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
There are several ways to balance active and passive tank types without boosting repping values themselves, which is the last thing one should consider doing.

In addition to (or instead of, if you so please) what I've already said (plain reduction in EHP) it's also very appealing to increase fitting requirements for plates/extenders and reduce them for active modules.

2600 MW for 1600mm plate - hell, yes! In this case passive tanking becomes much more interesting fitting-wise. It's no longer 'overtank with plates and put biggest guns on top of it', but rather 'I have to actually make a tough choice'.
500 MW for a large shield extender - w00t!

As for repping mods, they are already balanced pretty well by cap consumption. If anything, they should require less PG and less CPU.

And this of a direct relation to hybrids, btw.

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Morgan North
Dark-Rising
Wrecking Machine.
#1499 - 2011-12-22 22:05:43 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
There are several ways to balance active and passive tank types without boosting repping values themselves, which is the last thing one should consider doing.

In addition to (or instead of, if you so please) what I've already said (plain reduction in EHP) it's also very appealing to increase fitting requirements for plates/extenders and reduce them for active modules.

2600 MW for 1600mm plate - hell, yes! In this case passive tanking becomes much more interesting fitting-wise. It's no longer 'overtank with plates and put biggest guns on top of it', but rather 'I have to actually make a tough choice'.
500 MW for a large shield extender - w00t!

As for repping mods, they are already balanced pretty well by cap consumption. If anything, they should require less PG and less CPU.

And this of a direct relation to hybrids, btw.


I'd be ok with that idea. Would make it hard/impossible to fit 1600mm on cruisers though, unless I'm mistaken. But then again I do think the whole "oversized" fitting requirement is silly, and could do with a general renaming in terms of gameplay. Afterall, does anyone outside a few fittings evr use small shield extenders? And I'm not sure such fittings do exist anyway.
Rawls Canardly
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1500 - 2011-12-22 23:49:13 UTC
I concur with the fact that buffer mods need a boost in requirements. Its far too easy to fit large anything on a cruiser.