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Also regarding Command Node(s) and capture:

Re: Adding the need to scan down Command nodes:

Which equals diversity in game play.

If we're removing grinding then something has to be hard... right now it's attacker advantage the way populated Sov is currently used... i.e. BLOB warps in suddenly to system and griefs station by reinforcing everything services wise


Defender is at disadvantage because it's suprise attack, and the time to organize a defense ---


When it comes to actual Sov capture there isn't a decisive advantage for defender over attacker, which is fine, but once the command nodes start popping it's just a race to see who can come across the anomoly first


It would be nicer if some sill was involved of actually having to scan the things down instead of attacker just pre posiition in "spotters" in every constellation system and then via comms
deploy the fleet


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I mean I much rather have my Alliance leadership promoting scanner pilots as the saviours of our Empire, rather than the BLOB F1 monkey that only trained PVP skills

Envisioning FC's waiting for scanner results via scanner pilots, as well as scouts racing around updating on enemy activity (sharp uptick in local? or sudden cyno out ... where'd they cyno too)... having to manage the Meta, as opposed to how to get the BLOB to the next Command Node that's on everyone's overview

I think exploration/scanning has come of age and needs additional content - and this is a perfect content driver that would give that genre the next opportunity to make headway in the EVE online ingame culture.


*(And for the record I myself am not a scanner pilot - all skills are only at Lvl 2 for this character)

I think what you will end up seeing is coalitions consolidate to mega alliances based on TZ and corps would be tasked with living in their own consttillation.

This dev blog also does not describe what happens when sov flips while a super is in build.

A group that really wants your sov will bring carriers ... now you've got carriers on grid for dps or logi .. either way now you bring dreads to the party and triage of your own. Next they will escalate with supers and it's time to put that titan on the field. Battles where large groups are determined to gain that sov will still escalate to large battles. now once you get through the timer you get the mini games with the nodes all over the constellation ... another neat mechanic .. the fleet splits up to cover all the systems and more good fights ensue. Thats how it plays out in my mind anyway. If i held sov and someone brought in a carrier i'd be undocking dreads and hics.... forcing them to escalate further.

Joking aside, I actually wish you every success in getting a vibrant and healthy nullsec, It is all of our best interests,and I do watch with real interest.

It is simply a reminder that we should respect the other areas of space and those who live in them, and I hope when it comes back around, we can all learn that lesson, and not disrupt and distort valuable and meaningful discussion.

And all are better for it.
Good luck.

I finally figured out the reasoning behind this change.

Pre- Jump Fatigue it was normal to see 50K + people logged in.

Post- Jump Fatigue you're lucky to see 40K

After this change I imagine it will be around 25K

Hence, they have finally solved the lag problem.

There won't be fights because the optimal way to do things with current implementation is with ceptors, petes, and Svipuls fitted with T2 sov lasers. Or with disposible T1 frigates.

If they come for you, you run for the duration of the cycle, then repeat the process elsewhere. Or you use T1 frigates and just send hundreds of the things into enemy space, they will miss a couple.

Sov wack-a-mole with no benefit for doing it. Why am I not surprised?

You and the dabigredboat both.

But but the benefit is fights....in nullified, stabbed, kitey no-commit fits

So, I like what's going on. The gameplay is interesting and spread out, and should result in some interesting fun. As someone who simply day-trips into nullsec, this is even a great way to force fights with locals, even without the intention of taking ownership of the space.

That said, my problems with it are quite similar to Greygal's:


My proposed solutions are a bit different though.

I understand the want for the 'prime time', but feel the current iteration is lacking. The hope was probably that smaller groups (people who can't be on in all timezones) would be able to be on when their space needs defending, but instead, this is just going to make it extremely difficult to take space from larger groups. My proposal comes in three pieces:

• First, make prime time a series of timeslots. The size (with a minimum of an hour, max 24), time of day, and number of slots (you could have a one hour slot, twice a day, in your two main timezones) would be left entirely up to the current owner. It must add up to a length comparable to size of the alliance though - that is, large blocs may have this 'prime time' required to add up to 20 hours of the 24 hour day (subject to tweaking numbers, of course).
• Second, prime times become entirely private. No need to show them to other alliances because...
• Third, the initial reinforcement can start at any time of day. Once it is reinforced, it randomly selects a time inside the prime times, as currently, after the 48 hours, in which the reinforcement ends and the capture event begins.

This system would still have the effect of enabling owners to effectively react to reinforcement. Now though, the initial vulnerability attack can happen at any time, and so this avoids larger groups stone-walling defense during those 'prime times' to stop reinforcement altogether. Last, smaller groups will be able to have their smaller vulnerability window that helps with their activity when it actually matters most (the capture event). I still don't feel like the mechanic is perfect, but abandoning it altogether ignores the vulnerability that comes with being unable to man all timezones effectively, so I feel this method addresses concerns.

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The next piece would be, as Greygal mentioned, rewards for activity. I think a simple solution to the problem of inactivity would be keeping track of the index levels for all groups, regardless of whether they're the current owners. Then, the calculations could be made exectly the same as defenses, except helping the attackers.

To put out an example, space perfectly actively used by owners would work as proposed. That means there is a 4x time for others to capture things (40 minutes for a node). Say this attacker has also managed to use the space just as actively, either through subverting the inhabitants (small groups stealing sites and ore) or a friendly alliance living there as well (who decides to betray their friend and attack). Since they cannot gain strategic index (they do not own the system), the max they could manage would be a 3.5x multiplier. This would then be used to reduce their timers: 4 / 3.5 = 1.14x, or managing to drag the timer back down to 11 minutes, 24 seconds. The owner would keep their timer of 10 minutes.

Likewise, if the owner does not have any use of a system and has simply held it for a long time, they can manage a multiplier of 1.5x. If the attacker has been using the space as above, and has the 3.5x multiplier, it would only take 4 minutes and 17 seconds (1.5 / 3.5 = 0.4286x of 10 minutes) to capture a node, making it much easier to take abandoned space if they have been living there unopposed. If the owner still decides to show up to defend the space they're not using, they still have their 10 minute timer.

Last, if a group has no activity AND they have just recently taken the space (ie, like a big bloc taking space just because they can and moving on in a large sweep), they would have a multiplier of 1x. Another group with 3.5x results in only taking 2 minutes and 51 seconds to take the nodes, which is significantly short.


Last, I'd also be interested in this. All this should make for a much more fun and dynamic system for taking null, but what's the point of people taking it in the first place? I'd much rather live in another space and not have to worry about defending it against other people. Normally, I am all for WH space being the most dangerous, and therefore the most profitable, but with this new system, the individual will need much more incentive to want to have to put up with a much more involved defense, and in turn, dangerous space considering the quicker turnover (though, that could fall on alliance management to give those incentives through the top-down moon mining profits, but I feel something more COULD be done).