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The destruction of an ice mining corporation
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#61 - 2015-03-01 21:22:01 UTC
Serene Repose wrote:
Ptraci wrote:


So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships!
Yeah! Simple pleasures for simple minds!


Well to be honest this would actually do something about the problem, compared to whining about it in GD which does nothing about it.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#62 - 2015-03-01 21:26:26 UTC
Laura Gosh wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. Bear

BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want.




Wait.... there are still permanent ice belts out there?

That's news to me -- care to fill me in on the details, what systems etc? just out of curiosity Shocked


Thanks o/


Frankly, I don't know which they are. It was detailed on the devblog about the changes to ice mining and as far as I know they still work in the same way.
BrundleMeth
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2015-03-01 23:38:54 UTC
Things change.....EVERYTHING changes.......

Adapt or quit....
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2015-03-02 02:26:30 UTC
I noticed a null system with TWO ice belts in it the other day.
A really quiet system too, just off a pipe.
Get out of hisec.


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masternerdguy
Doomheim
#65 - 2015-03-02 03:01:22 UTC
You're kidding right? They respawn every 4 hours! You just need to move to the new oneLol

Things are only impossible until they are not.
Laura Gosh
Mantis Acquisitions
#66 - 2015-03-02 03:17:40 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Laura Gosh wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. Bear

BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want.




Wait.... there are still permanent ice belts out there?

That's news to me -- care to fill me in on the details, what systems etc? just out of curiosity Shocked


Thanks o/


Frankly, I don't know which they are. It was detailed on the devblog about the changes to ice mining and as far as I know they still work in the same way.



Thanks for the help

found the blog from odyssey
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/resource-shakeup-blog/#ICE

'With the exception of some systems in the territories of the Amarr Empire, Khanid Kingdom, and Ammatar Mandate, all systems that currently contain ice belts will have at least one instance of these new Ice Anomalies. Some systems, mostly those that currently contain two or three ice belts, will contain multiple instances of the Ice Anomalies. A full list of Amarrian highsec systems that will contain these new anomalies can be found in our companion blog, so that players can determine if their home will still have ice after the patch.'

I think this basically says that SOME systems around the amarr area will have their ice removed permanently, but not all systems

Nevermind Big smile but thank you for helping
I was all excited for a second that some of the old ice belts still existed Cool
Badel Jramodarr
#67 - 2015-03-02 03:18:03 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Ive found out ice mining used to be the quickest way to make isk.
Time for more research. Your information is incorrect and out of date. You aren't even aware of how ice anomalies work.

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Legion Masser
KROOKBORNE
Seventh Sanctum.
#68 - 2015-03-02 08:32:27 UTC
OP - Ice competitors are fierce - I used to know a guy

SAY MY NAME

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#69 - 2015-03-02 15:33:20 UTC
Heisenberg.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#70 - 2015-03-02 16:23:42 UTC
Laura Gosh wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?

Sounds like a great reason to me.




If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining
used to be the quickest way to make isk.



In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done)
and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does)

Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted



If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following

1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it)

2: Datacore farming
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming

3: Research and Development of BPO's
Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit
This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better

4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago)


FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total)
each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's..
If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things
(this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days)

datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days

researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..)


and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you?


Annnd this ladies and gentlemen is precisely why having alts in a game like this is bad. Just look at this fine example of bloat here and marinate in the implications.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#71 - 2015-03-02 16:32:09 UTC
I hear you can rent systems in 0.0 now.
Agatir Solenth
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#72 - 2015-03-02 16:49:25 UTC
Since you have a good foundation of skills, might I suggest that you change the type of rock you mine?

You might be surprised what kind of revenue that will open up.
ashley Eoner
#73 - 2015-03-02 18:45:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Killian Trystan wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice.

Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time.


I live in Everyshore, and it's full of bots that CCP doesn't give a damn about. To the point that there's at least 10 multiboxing fleets (probably more) that go out, every single day, and go through every single ice belt in the five systems in the upper-left corner of the Everyshore region... In maybe a few hours? No solo players get a chance.

Sucks when I don't have the reprocessing skills (or standings) to make lots of ISK from ore, whereas just selling plain blue ice makes a lot more.

And yes, I've tried reporting the bots, multiple times. Every time I see the bot fleets, I report each and every one of them. Even sent in a ticket to CCP, sent in a list of names and why they hadn't been banned because of their obvious ISBoxer/Macro botting. "Oh sorry, you should just report them as bots with the report as bot feature" *closes ticket*

So yeah.. CCP doesn't give a damn about botting.

You are confusing simple windowed mode eve multiboxing with botting. Multiboxing isn't illegal and doesn't require macros or isboxer. More than likely none of the people you even reported use a program for window management.

Killian Trystan wrote:
I would wonder how a multiboxer would be within the rules if the entire fleet's mining lasers all start at the exact same time, on the same ice asteroid...
That's moronic on their part for hitting the same roid. I can control 12 miners with an orca and a freighter with no issue just using eve in windowed mode. I could also do it so fast that most of the lasers turn on at the same time from your perspective due to the long server ticks in this game.


Yogsoloth wrote:
If your mining for isk to plex your accounts, you're not really a paying subscriber and as such you aren't a priority for CCP, more of an after thought really. As you've stated someone else is always available to mine those belts and keep the market fed.

Branch out, expand your horizons and look for a new more lucrative, efficient, and perhaps more entertaining way to plex your account(s) imho.
Except that plex probably had to be bought with real money and more then likely cost more then what an actual subscription cost.
Zekora Rally
U2EZ
#74 - 2015-03-03 10:55:47 UTC
The hilarious part about this thread are those telling the OP to move to lowsec or whs to mine ice. You might as well just warp-in then self destruct, why would you want to mine anything in a wh especially shattered systems which have at least 4 incoming holes at any given time?
Alexei Stryker
Council of Stellar Erections
#75 - 2015-03-03 11:08:26 UTC
Zekora Rally wrote:
The hilarious part about this thread are those telling the OP to move to lowsec or whs to mine ice. You might as well just warp-in then self destruct, why would you want to mine anything in a wh especially shattered systems which have at least 4 incoming holes at any given time?


Because people need some miners to shoot?
Anthar Thebess
#76 - 2015-03-03 11:11:27 UTC
Go to lowsec / nullsec they have plenty of ice.

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Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#77 - 2015-03-03 11:16:13 UTC
I would recommend contracting all your assets over to me so they can be put to immediate and proper use.
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#78 - 2015-03-03 11:29:02 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.)

Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder.

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Why should I have to shut down my fleet . All those hours of training and millions of isk are wasted!!! What CCP did was wrong!!
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#79 - 2015-03-03 11:51:04 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Belt Scout wrote:
Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.)

Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder.

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Why should I have to shut down my fleet . All those hours of training and millions of isk are wasted!!! What CCP did was wrong!!

Can't tell if bait.

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Lennox Dantes
The Tyde
#80 - 2015-03-03 13:37:47 UTC
So, you can sit in wide open space, in a defenseless ship (multiple defensive ships), and engage in an activity that makes you ISK. Then you safely fly through space, passing through multiple gates where no one can interact with you and safely dock a market and process and sell your items (or whatever you do) in complete safety. This is on the back of a huge mining update years ago which gave you a magical ore bay to reduce your need to jettison anything...

NOW, you want unlimited resources to mine!

The saddest thing is that CCP listens to people like you. They continually vandalize their game to make it more like everything else on the market to accommodate people like you. They have been doing it for years. Yet, 1.5 years ago I would log in to a server of 40k people. Now, it's 20k. Do you think this is because CCP needs to keep buttering the stretch - marked thighs of carebears? Or is it because this game is straying so far from its roots that people are just over it.

I know way too many high sec industrialists that solo play (because they don't need a group anymore) and quit after a few months. With Star Citizen coming out Eve will no longer be the Space Sim King. If you have seen their mining system and their entirely carebear oriented game, Eve will find themselves being the worse version of the same thing.

IMO, CCPS need to revert to the harshness it had when I started out to differentiate itself and remain the niche titan it was in the past. Because, let's face it, this game is just a glorified theme park out in High Sec now.