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The destruction of an ice mining corporation

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Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#1 - 2015-02-28 16:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Musashi IV
I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining.
I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteroid in a different location when one is depleted.

Why should I have to shut down my fleet? All those hours of training and millions of ISK are wasted!!!. What CCP did was wrong!!
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#2 - 2015-02-28 16:09:08 UTC
I'd say you have to move systems.
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#3 - 2015-02-28 16:13:10 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
I'd say you have to move systems.


I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#4 - 2015-02-28 16:14:16 UTC
Blow up your competition.
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#5 - 2015-02-28 16:18:04 UTC
Zoe Athame wrote:
Blow up your competition.


Ive found out combat is very expensive.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#6 - 2015-02-28 16:21:46 UTC
Those old 100,000 unit ice belts have been gone for some time now. The new belts are 2500 units and they respawn 4 hours after being cleared. This was done so players in other time zones could get their share of ice. (I believe that's the reason anyway.)

Myself, I shut downa large ISBoxer fleet to comply wit the new EULA changes and I'm not having any problems supporting my new, MUCH smaller, manual fleet. You just have a to work at it a little harder.

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They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

Laura Gosh
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-02-28 16:22:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Laura Gosh
You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime...

They do infact respawn every 4 hours.... not in the same location, because an ice belt is an anomoly so it moves around in random places in the system

PROTIP:
when the last ice asteroid is depleted, make a note of the time when that block popped.. (for example 16:19 hours)
4 hours later (20:19 hours) -- the belt will be back, and then it be brand new


Common problems after digesting this knowledge:
I WANT TO MINE ICE 24/7 --> if you want to do that.. go to a system in nullsec that doesnt have many people and happily mine there....
OR.... kill the ice belt, and then shoot normal ORE asteroids until 4 hours later.. when the belt comes back
OR.... you can loggout and do something else inrl or play another game.. or do whatever it is you wanna do, until the ice belt is back.. set an alarm on your phone or something

It's really not that hard
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-02-28 16:22:22 UTC

Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?

Sounds like a great reason to me.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.

LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-02-28 16:26:16 UTC  |  Edited by: LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Musashi IV wrote:
I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining.
I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.


move to a shattered wormhole, nomad style.

move to null-sec, its so easy. just put up a POS, stront it, and mine dat ice. plenty of null-sec systems in NPC space with ice belts that are empty of all people. try sansha space, for example.
Laura Gosh
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-02-28 16:27:26 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:
I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining.
I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.


move to a shattered wormhole, nomad style.



YES!!! those shattered WH's are (omg.. amazing)
sadly we cant put up POS's there.. which of course makes logistical stuff a little difficult.. but its still fun as hell (especially hitting that really sexy dark glitter ice) LolBig smileLolBig smile
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#11 - 2015-02-28 16:30:48 UTC
Sibyyl wrote:

Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?

Sounds like a great reason to me.




If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining
used to be the quickest way to make isk.
Belt Scout
Thread Lockaholics Anonymous
#12 - 2015-02-28 16:31:21 UTC
Laura Gosh wrote:
You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime...



Actually, as long as a belt is cleared prior to DT, it will respawn when the server comes back up. I've cleared them with only a few minutes to spare before DT, them came back after DT and cleared it out again. Big smile

If the belt ISN'T cleared by DT, then it will still be there as it was when the server went down.

.

They say most of your brain shuts down on the EvE forums. All but the impatient side, and the sarcastic side. No wonder I'm still awake.

**This IS my main so STFU.

DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#13 - 2015-02-28 16:38:44 UTC
yes move to a shattered hole, HUGE ice fields there

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#14 - 2015-02-28 16:39:38 UTC
You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work?
Laura Gosh
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2015-02-28 16:41:14 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?

Sounds like a great reason to me.




If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining
used to be the quickest way to make isk.



In that case.. move to a system with ice (which i'm guessing you already have done)
and PRIMARILY hit the normal ore belts for ISK... then.. if you see the icebelt on probe scanner.. GOGOGOGOG ICE RUSH (like everyone else does)

Yes.. the ice will despawn very quickly because everyone wants to mine it.. (hence why its called an ice RUSH).. but the ore belts will remain there for you to mine after the belts are depleted



If you want to make money to pay for your accounts.. continue your mining.. but also consider the following

1: highsec PI -- choose a planet close to a tradehub and buy the ingredients for coolant (water + electrolytes 40x each manufacturing job) import them to the planet of your choice and create coolant.. export the coolant and resell at tradehub for profit (protip -- only use planets with 15% or lower taxation.. you can find the tax details on the information panel of the customs office of each planet -- sidenote: these may change on occasion.. and also another sidenote: -- check out the trade skills for a skill called 'Custom Office Expertise' this will reduce your NPC tax (max of 10%) by 10% each level (level 5 in this skill = 5% NPC tax + whatever the corporation owner of the customs office put on it)

2: Datacore farming
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Datacore_Farming

3: Research and Development of BPO's
Buy BPO's and make them PERFECT.. resell them for profit
This takes some skil and knowledge about what BPO's will be profitable and what are not, but the more your research the better

4: Moon mining -- only possible to do in 0.4 (YES 0.4.. it used to be 0.3 but you can do it in 0.4 now.. CCP changed the moons in 0.4 space some updates ago)


FYI -- I have 4 accounts (12 characters in total)
each of them is trained up for highsec PI, mining, datacore farmining and development of BPO's..
If i remember right.. i currently have 72 planets making various things
(this alone gives me an average of around 2-3 billion every 30 days)

datacore mining gives me around 800-900 million every 30 days

researching BPO's gives me around 4-5 billion every 30 days (sometimes more depending on the BPO's..)


and this is on top of my normal mining --- if i can do it.. why not you?
Laura Gosh
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-02-28 16:43:26 UTC
Belt Scout wrote:
Laura Gosh wrote:
You do realise that the ice belts are not like the normal asteroid belts... they DO NOT respawn on downtime...



Actually, as long as a belt is cleared prior to DT, it will respawn when the server comes back up. I've cleared them with only a few minutes to spare before DT, them came back after DT and cleared it out again. Big smile

If the belt ISN'T cleared by DT, then it will still be there as it was when the server went down.

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very very true :p
all sites will respawn perfectly if left with 1 roid left just before DT.. the same applies to combat sites as well i believe
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#17 - 2015-02-28 17:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Godfrey Silvarna
doublepost. Whoops.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#18 - 2015-02-28 17:16:48 UTC
It's called competition. It is very good for the game.

Eve needs more incentives to compete for scarce resources, not less. I wish mission runners would be put in the same spot as ice miners. It would spark conflicts and trigger creativity.
Laura Gosh
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-02-28 17:23:56 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
It's called competition. It is very good for the game.

Eve needs more incentives to compete for scarce resources, not less. I wish mission runners would be put in the same spot as ice miners. It would spark conflicts and trigger creativity.



I couldn't agree more Smile

More conflict is more fun, and more storyline and more history.. and of course... more opportunities for BIG fleet battles
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2015-02-28 17:55:19 UTC
Highsec problems.






Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

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