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The destruction of an ice mining corporation

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Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2015-02-28 18:02:58 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years.


You must have done extremely little in eve then because that is surely not the most efficient way to make isk.
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
#22 - 2015-02-28 18:06:23 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Zoe Athame wrote:
Blow up your competition.


Ive found out combat is very expensive.



so what will you do about the isk you mined? Shocked

Just Add Water

Alavaria Fera
Imperial Shipment
#23 - 2015-02-28 18:44:48 UTC
Varathius wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:
With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years.

You must have done extremely little in eve then because that is surely not the most efficient way to make isk.

Yeah, I'm sort of like what...

I mined but then used the isk to do other things to get what I wanted. But then again maybe you only fly blingy hulks in highsec (safe!!) so I guess you don't need that much.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

flakeys
Doomheim
#24 - 2015-02-28 18:50:58 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Sibyyl wrote:

Unlike asteroids, ice belts reform in 4 hours. You want them to be permanent because you can't be bothered to diversify your source of income?

Sounds like a great reason to me.




If I could play EVE 24/7 I would not be complaining. I only have the time to play a few hours each day. Ive found out ice mining
used to be the quickest way to make isk
.



Completely false i'd say.

Someone with just a tiny bit of brains should see that trading is the quickest way to make isk if you do not have a lot of time.Trust me , i've made close to 1 T over the last 4 years with trading and i would qualify myself as someone with at best a mediocre set of brains and i've got kids/family and a lot of workhours so it's not like i've spend 4 hours a day doing that.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#25 - 2015-02-28 18:59:17 UTC
This thread is its own satire. No need to mock it any further.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#26 - 2015-02-28 19:10:40 UTC
OP: If you're willing to move (possibly to a different region) you will be able to find ice fields that last longer. For example Everyshore Region has a great concentration of ice belts where it is easy to check nearby system for ice.

Every ice belt will have a pattern where you can anticipate the normal spawn time by day of the week - you don't have to hang around all the time.

Finally, have you considered regular mining? Ice Prices are down about 30% since the jump range change.


Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#27 - 2015-02-28 19:43:07 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining.
I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.

SInce the last time industry stepped into some major Fozzie in Odyssey, ice mining has gone and got replaced with new mechanics called "ice camping". This means you gotta camp your ice for 4 hours to get your 20-30 icicles, then camp somewhere else. Consequently, it means nobody in hisec is getting any substantial amounts of ice anymore, and profitability of it has gone down the drain. Like I said when this change got implemented, well, Fozzie happens.
Mining were also covered with Fozzie that patch, so it took 5 buffs to remove most of the Fozzie stains from it, some still remain, odds are the stench they gave is permanent. That said, regular mining recovered about 75% of potential it had before being Fozzified, even though things like hisec mining for hisec manufacturing will never recover, and the safety of mining has gone from "need a piece of brain and preparation to screw the miner" to "warp and press F1, you can do it even with goon IQ (or lack thereof)".
Right now, L4s, even despite being nerfed belt-high into the ground, give better ISK/hour results than mining, but, unlike proper mining OP, they are incredibly boring, almost reaching the bottom-of-the-barrel boredom of ship pvp.

I totally understand what you mean there, but unfortunately, if ice mining was all you fancied, CCP Fozzie has closed eve for you with Odyssey expansion. I suggest trying exploration, maybe it'll occupy you before something changes. PI - no, not profitable at all, since now every POCO on hisec is player-owned, you're just making the owners rich, getting nothing for yourself. Mining with Makinaws is too unsafe with the series of buffs to the easies thing in eve - suicide wanking. Blueprints research is too niche, datacore farming is quite a bother and requires some not very useful skills, but you may try those, since it doesn't require you to be online much. A popular myth of eve that station trading is profitable is false, but it may also occupy you for a few timespans per day. Try these, and wait for changes, and if waiting is becoming too bothersome, take a break, don't push yourself to like something you don't like.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Orlacc
#28 - 2015-02-28 20:14:21 UTC
TLDR

I am afraid to mine ice in a WH.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."

Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#29 - 2015-02-28 20:29:29 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
TLDR

I am afraid to mine ice in a WH.


WH mining got Fozzified along with hisec mining and a good portion of a nullsec mining outside of blue donuts.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#30 - 2015-02-28 21:29:05 UTC
There is a solution to your woes... but frankly, with ice price going down, the last thing anybody needs are competitors. Nothing personal. Bear

BTW, some Amarran systems still have permanent, old fashioned ice belts. Demand and price are not the best but there you can mine at your heart's pleasure anytime, and for as long as you want.
Steppa Musana
Doomheim
#31 - 2015-02-28 21:35:03 UTC
I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.

Leave highsec.
ashley Eoner
#32 - 2015-02-28 21:37:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Basil Pupkin wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:
I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining.
I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.

SInce the last time industry stepped into some major Fozzie in Odyssey, ice mining has gone and got replaced with new mechanics called "ice camping". This means you gotta camp your ice for 4 hours to get your 20-30 icicles, then camp somewhere else. Consequently, it means nobody in hisec is getting any substantial amounts of ice anymore, and profitability of it has gone down the drain. Like I said when this change got implemented, well, Fozzie happens.
Mining were also covered with Fozzie that patch, so it took 5 buffs to remove most of the Fozzie stains from it, some still remain, odds are the stench they gave is permanent. That said, regular mining recovered about 75% of potential it had before being Fozzified, even though things like hisec mining for hisec manufacturing will never recover, and the safety of mining has gone from "need a piece of brain and preparation to screw the miner" to "warp and press F1, you can do it even with goon IQ (or lack thereof)".
Right now, L4s, even despite being nerfed belt-high into the ground, give better ISK/hour results than mining, but, unlike proper mining OP, they are incredibly boring, almost reaching the bottom-of-the-barrel boredom of ship pvp.

I totally understand what you mean there, but unfortunately, if ice mining was all you fancied, CCP Fozzie has closed eve for you with Odyssey expansion. I suggest trying exploration, maybe it'll occupy you before something changes. PI - no, not profitable at all, since now every POCO on hisec is player-owned, you're just making the owners rich, getting nothing for yourself. Mining with Makinaws is too unsafe with the series of buffs to the easies thing in eve - suicide wanking. Blueprints research is too niche, datacore farming is quite a bother and requires some not very useful skills, but you may try those, since it doesn't require you to be online much. A popular myth of eve that station trading is profitable is false, but it may also occupy you for a few timespans per day. Try these, and wait for changes, and if waiting is becoming too bothersome, take a break, don't push yourself to like something you don't like.
Ice prices are only as high as they are BECAUSE of the limited supply. That inflation of the price was murdered by the drop in demand thanks to the jump changes. Give the playerbase an infinite supply as before and you'll watch ice prices crash to levels that leave veldspar as more profitable. Sure you would be able to mine ice all day but you'd be lucky to clear 10m in a mackinaw with 10 hours of mining.
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#33 - 2015-02-28 21:41:20 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.

Leave highsec.



That's fascinating. What system are you in?

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon

Serene Repose
#34 - 2015-02-28 22:12:09 UTC
"Any man can master a grief save he who has one." - Willie the Shake -

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-02-28 22:48:03 UTC
All I read was about the OP and his accounts. Was he the ice mining corporation that destructed?
For a second it seemed this affected a bunch of players. Unless multiple accounts...where's my waders?

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#36 - 2015-02-28 22:54:56 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
I used to have a 3 account ice mining corporation. It took many months and mil of isk to train 2 Mac and an Orca for ice mining.
I could log in anytime during the day and mine my quota of ice. Now I cant even fill one mining ship let alone an Orca before the ice is depleted!! If I dont log on withen an hour of server startup I prob wont get any Ice for the day. Even if they triple the size of an ice field thier are so many ships the ice would be gone withen an hour. If I had the time I could check every hour for ice but like many players I do not have the time to play the game 24/7. Ive had to cancel 2 of my accounts because I cant make enouph isk to make them worth while. Many of you may think this sounds boring. If all I did was ice mine you would be correct. With the isk I make from ice mining I am able to do anything I wanted over the years. Now Im just about to close down my last account. CCP you need to bring back permanant ice fields or at least respawn an ice asteriod in a different location when one is depleted.



So jump into a catalyst and go pop some mining ships!
Bagatur I
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#37 - 2015-02-28 23:59:41 UTC
Musashi IV wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
I'd say you have to move systems.


I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour.


the place I mine in occasionally have anywhere from 15 to 20 in ice belts with full mining boosts. it takes over 2 hours to deplete the belt. so yeah, you are full of it.
Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
#38 - 2015-03-01 02:06:18 UTC
Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:
You don't need ice. You need a set of balls. There is plenty of ice in quiet parts of low sec. Of course, you can't do that if you're a brain dead miner so I guess that doesn't work?


This. I know a low sec 0.4 system adjacent to two 0.5 systems that has an ice belt that I've never seen mined when I'm online. And there is rarely anyone in system.

Stop the whining.

"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#39 - 2015-03-01 05:39:05 UTC
Steppa Musana wrote:
I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.

Leave highsec.

Don't even have to leave highsec, I see untouched Ice Belts in high sec even. Though obviously not with only blues (since highsec is the hole in the blue doughnut). But that 'only blues' will change anyway when Sov gets sorted properly.
However that's beside the point, you can get untouched Ice in highsec. And 2500 Units takes a while.
Basil Pupkin
Strategic Incompetence
#40 - 2015-03-01 06:43:47 UTC
Bagatur I wrote:
Musashi IV wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
I'd say you have to move systems.


I have several char in different locations looking for ice. Their are so many players ice mining that all ice is gone withen 1 hour.


the place I mine in occasionally have anywhere from 15 to 20 in ice belts with full mining boosts. it takes over 2 hours to deplete the belt. so yeah, you are full of it.


Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Steppa Musana wrote:
I am mining ice right now. Full belt, untouched, no one in system but me, no one besides blues within 4 jumps.

Leave highsec.

Don't even have to leave highsec, I see untouched Ice Belts in high sec even. Though obviously not with only blues (since highsec is the hole in the blue doughnut). But that 'only blues' will change anyway when Sov gets sorted properly.
However that's beside the point, you can get untouched Ice in highsec. And 2500 Units takes a while.


2500 units are like 20 miner-hours at most, even in Procurers (assuming proper boosts). 15 if you're using yield fits, but it's currently kind of blue-donut-only strategy.
20 people should get it done real quick, and fill like 1 Orca and their barges for each party.
Which is, with current prices, about 15-18 million ISK per account per hour. Meeeeeeeeeeeh.

People camp ice when they need ice, mining ice for profit is dead and gone.

Being teh freightergankbear automatically puts you below missionbear and minerbear in carebear hierarchy.

If you're about to make "this will make eve un-eve" argument, odds are you are defending some utterly horrible mechanics against a good change.