EVE General Discussion

No they don't.

In my mind the problem isnt HACs, as evidenced by one of the hard counters for an ishtar fleet being navy apocs, the problem is tech 3s.

Similar Ehp levels but with vastly smaller sigs, much faster warp times and not much less dps, theres a reason whenever we want a fleet that is fast, survivable and can still punch above its weight we pull out the t3s. I hope they take this into account once they get around to the rebalancing.

Umm...let's not forget personal skills. Like I said earlier, how this is being visualized isn't necessarily the be-all end-all scenario to consider. By the time you're proficient in a BS you should also be proficient in other things. All I've heard from the "BSs suck" group centers around the idea of using one like they'd use a frig, or a cruiser (which they use like a frig). One great assumption is the encounter will be range happy for the smaller ship. Why make this assumption? Why assume frigs and cruisers don't have to use a different tactic when trying to bull down a BS? Imagine if you will another scenario other than an in-transit BS has blundered into your gate camp.

Same applies to any armour BS doctrine, bombers wont remove them. Bomber prey is the shield doctrines.

I don't mean this in a snotty way, but if you are a newer player you might not remember when BS fleets dominated and everyone whinged endlessly about it.

Nullsec for me from 2009ish was Apoc/Mega heavy for years (which was a horrendous retrain for pure Cald spec, which a lot of scrub bears were upon leaving empire). Then we had DraekOnline, then Tempest/Maelstorm AlphaFleets, Abaddon Sit and Listen to Makalu Cry for Hours™, then PotatoFleet, then Nagas, Tengus and god knows how many other FOTM iterations. Bombers are awesome just for the screeching they generate. I quite enjoy being bombed and having the whole fleet decimated just to see who completely loses it first and runs to a forum to nerdrage.

Fair enough T3s and Ishtars are a bit OP atm, and it's been an issue for a while, but so what? There's always a FOTM doctrine, and there's always an overpowered mechanic. At least the recent stuff is quick to train. When T3s are rebalanced there'll be screaming the likes we hardly get to see - it's probably wise to spread this out after the Phoebe changes. So we can enjoy it properly. The recent emphasis on making smaller ships viable again was something we bloody well asked for. These comps are cheap and nippy, and god knows no-one enjoys grinding as a second job.

At least try the newly released stuff before complaining. The new T3 dessies are quite fun.

While we're complaining, how about the cost of them! An Armageddon used to be 50 million, and now it's nearly 200 mil. I understand the idea of "tiericide" was to boost all those frigates that everyone never flew again after the tutorials, and all the cruisers that weren't the one or two best of each race. It seems that they went the opposite way with battleships -- nerf them all and triple the price of the cheaper ones.

Also: HACs were "ruining EVE" long before T3s. When they nerf T3s the game will still be mostly HACs-Online. I would still throw caution to the wind and take out battleships against HACs (spider tanking used to work well) but the cost is unbelievable now.

Battleship PvP Isn't dead its just not seen much, however if you want to see some check out my Bio ingame and watch my Videos of Gloriously taking multi billion ships solo into fights against the odds :<

PvP Aspect of Auduins View:

Vindicator : Can do either serious kick ass DPS (shield fitted) with still a quiet heavy tank (~2k) or else Armor vindicator which does decently personally to do any serious work it has to be pimped.

Machariel: Same as above which tbh the Armor mach is quiet fun :<

Bhaalgorn: With the right fit (discussed in the Bhaalgorn thread) this thing can rip apart any of your "Oh im so leet nano gang" aslong as you don't get jammed :<

Nestor: Overlord 'nuff said people just need to learn to use it.

Barghest: a pile of shite

Nightmare: Please go and see ssagat & Chessurs videos for correct usage

Rattlesnake:It doesn't matter if you fit this thing with ASBs or active tank this does serious DPS with still a p sick tank on it, would recommend it for pvp 10/10.

Faction Battleship: all of them are pretty worth it tbh , but i just think they are too cheap :<

Well Marauders and Black Ops are a league of their own as each of them has a role and with the Marauder having Bastion this thing is a beast (please see my videos for reference) , however people like to cyno kill those :D

Black ops im yet to try D:

I can only assume it is a leviathan as that doesn't have the "Turrets fitted to this ship will do reduced damage to small targets" bit.

I was considering buying a Ragnarok to alpha battleships but they nerfed titan guns

I don't do a lot of Youtubeing, but if I ever get around to watching some EVE videos, I plan to check out yours first. Can I ask for your take on how to fit + use an Armageddon for solo use?