Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Delete. redundant.

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
This tactic you described use many subcap pilots on own ships and not supers pilots.
And about target painters...they do no effect on locking speed time, even if you think they do.

So, stop post own crazy ideas if you know nothing about carriers and supers and how people use it.

Always some useless people who do not have skills for carriers - cry against carriers.
Biggest problem in EVE is bunch of noob who fly on crusers, cheap trashers and other trash, who want after 3 months playing eve want to be "carrier and mothership killers" and if they can't do it by own 30-50 members fleet - they cry - nerf carriers.
We need to nefr this idiots and they's overpowerd crusers and destroyers so they will be able to kill only ships on own level, and they need to pop from carrier one after other. Because it's funny, few trash pilots who fly in blob can kill carrier and pilots who spend 1000 USD and many years on training, and this trash pilots who just in game 3 months - they can kill everything without spending any time on training.

Here we go again with the Nerf bat! I understand fixing something thats broken but is this really necessary CCP? I think no matter what people are going to ***** and complain either because they can't fly it, can't afford to fly it or just like to stir the pot because the suffered a loss from it. Null and low sec is home of the capitals thats end game for most people but after nerfing the jump range and adding ungodly jump fatigue now you want to nerf a carriers main defense? I know caps are scary to alot of sub cap pilots but they are seriously becoming a memory and no longer something people glorify and hope to one day become after years of training. If you want to fix the game you created it make it what you intended it to be not what a bunch of cry babies want because you can't please them all I promise you that much and people loved this game before even when caps were king and thats what everyone aspired to be. My apologies to anyone I offended but its just getting crazy with all the nerfs and no I'm not a cap pilot but I wanted to be until I started to see that CCP is going to gradually let the players nerf the game till its just not fun anymore.

Please stop screwing up the game. I mean start making other ships better instead of nerfing one or two into the ground. These updates should be positive not negative. Next on CCP hit list T3 Cruisers!!!! Swing bada bada swing that nerf bat. Hell these ships may be over powered but they should be for the simple fact that you lose skill points when they die! That my friends you can't just buy back. Lay off the ship nerfs. Give people a reason to want to train a certain ship not completely nerf someones races main ships to the point of not usable like the Drake

The issue that needed fixing was assigning fighters from the safety of a POS, how does this fix that?

Nerfing the scan resolution affects fighter and fb use in all situations, making fighters obsolete trash again.

This is a terrible change that fails to address the issue, and instead nerfs an already subpar weapon system even more.

No, OP specifically stated that wasn't the aim

But people moaned here about it anyway. It was to address an 'exploit'/unintended mechanic to increase drone dps.

CCP Fozzie wrote:

The primary goal of this change is to ensure that rapidly scooping and relaunching fighters and fighter bombers never gives a dps advantage. This practice has not been widespread thus far, but any possible advantage gained this way would both provide imbalanced DPS and cause significant server load so we want to nip it in the bud.

Maybe?

Before this change a Bomber had a scan res 5 times higher than the ship that launched them. After this change they will have about half the scan res of the ship that launched them.




In the old system the fighter-bombers had the lock time of a cruiser. This meant that you could scoop and launch them and they would instantly lock their target and begin applying DPS.

With these changes the bombers will have to lock the target again every time you launch them and the time lost on applying a new lock will nullify the benefit of scooping and re-launching them.


It will also add a delay between switching targets since the bomber now need around 14 seconds to lock a battleship and even as much as 30 seconds to lock smaller Cruisers.

So if a Super has say.... 2 hictors locked then switching from one to the other will have a bomber lock time of about 15 seconds even if the super itself already has both of them locked. This will also make the hictors see the drones yellow boxing them far in advance of the actual damage. Giving the Hictor team time to switch points and alert logi support.


Edit: something, something, death to supers.

OK i am a little lost. why are you fixing this and not fixing sentry's? i mean come on the ishtar is out of control, the domi is wayyy to flexible, and carriers with sentrys are still overpowered.

give the ishtar the bonus of the gila and cut the pg on the domi drop a mid slot and all is sublime in the world of eve. until u figure out med rails are amazing then well sad days.

You'd have to ask CCP. Maybe it's all they have as an option at this stage. Relaunch timers have potential problems too - affecting every single drone boat and making it hard to use drone pulling as a good way to stop people shooting them. Far more collateral damage with that approach.

I can understand it, you could get pretty huge gains out a FB wing with it. Fighters seem odder, be a lot harder to get meaningful gains with their cycle times.

I'm not sure delaying capital class DPS landing on field by up to a minute represents the end of the the world - after all drones start the locking process immediately so at ranges much of that will be eaten up by travel time. It's a relatively minor nerf, imo.



The whole fighter assist is fine imo - it's when it's combined with POS tanking it breaks the tradeoff/risk/reward paradigm.

No need to implement a relaunch timer for all drones, just for fighter bombers.

Fighters received a minor buff while ago, which was too weak to make them viable in PVP, and in turn made it almost possible to undock in Thanatos. This blanket nerf to fighters to fix a non-issue ensures that Thanatos still remains useless.