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Buuump!

Anyone planning of getting tickets to the Fanfest and start a commotion about the unfinished Hybrid rebalancing?

Me and my friends are planning an OWS style protest in front of CCP's headquarters. We'll be flying all the way from sunny Brazil to Icy Northern Europe to show our discontent. Do girls even wear bikinis there?

No just because you can hit something doesn't mean you can apply full damage to it. Actually this is very rare outside of specific peak dps game play. In a peak dps situations most frigs wouldn't survive under 1 or 2 volleys of any close range BS weapon in eve since you would look at 2-4k hits even after resists. This didn't even happen back in the days with 90% webs, there is no such thing to archive against a target that is ten times harder to track than a BS.

Damage scales from 2-150% depending on how good you can hit, archiving 100+% in a BS even against a BC is very hard and requires mwd sig bloom, 4+ the range of a blaster bs and dropping transversal pretty much to zero by manual piloting(a nano pest or oracle can do it today) in solo/small gang pvp. All this combined is basically a 2000% tracking boost and you will never pull something like this off with blasters since the web/scram changes in QR. Back in the days blaster ships actually where the benchmark when it came to this play style since they where a lot more effective at close range against all kind of targets(similar as minmatar hulls today by using dualneuts at close or the range to do it).

Lacking this ability is also a big part of why the ships are far less useful for the nearly any scenario where a blaster ship would make sense in the traditional way compared to the alternatives today. A blaster BS is just as unpractical in a bigger fight than a frig(outside of the tackler role), it isn't very effective in catching people, it isn't as good at dealing with the huge majority of his targets in solo/small gang pvp(what means the target will be smaller) as other hulls. Technically getting some dps with a mega on a frig at close range isn't even a problem, since preventing a BS from tackling a frig isn't hard or challenging and in bigger fights, before the blaster BS would be in range you would have already died by getting gutted alive at medium range by acs or lasers or have so many drones, target painters or webs on you that it doesn't matter if you get shoot by blasters, lasers or acs, the result is the same in all cases.

It would be a huge mistake to increase the damage on blasters and railguns...
But we do still need more adjustments on ships, railguns and ammunition.

If you need to boost hybrids further you need to do it through the ships supposed to use them... People are already starting to think about using hybrids in all aspects of Eve. It will ofcourse take a long time for the players to adjust skillwise and as such it will be natural to continue see lots of minmatar ships and autocannons for a long time (Minmatar has been I-win for a serious long time)

Also I see no value in your argumentation - just lol...

1 Drake 112715
2 Hurricane 61620
3 Abaddon 40951
4 Tengu 29786
5 Tornado 22717
6 Maelstrom 22443
7 Armageddon 18986
8 Scimitar 16075
9 Tempest 15259
10 Sabre 13866
11 Cynabal 12945
12 Thrasher 11957
13 Huginn 11252
14 Vagabond 10721
15 Rokh 10221
16 Loki 10198
17 Rapier 9947
18 Zealot 9833
19 Hound 9751
20 Rifter 9454

1 Heavy Missile Launcher II 45896
2 425mm AutoCannon II 19316
3 1400mm Howitzer Artillery II 12441
4 Mega Pulse Laser II 12010
5 200mm AutoCannon II 10599
6 720mm Howitzer Artillery II 8857
7 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II 8776
8 150mm Light AutoCannon II 7951
9 125mm Gatling AutoCannon II 7303
10 800mm Repeating Artillery II 6860
11 Heavy Pulse Laser II 6736
12 425mm Railgun II 3338
13 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 3333
14 Heavy Neutron Blaster II 3297
15 'Malkuth' Heavy Missile Launcher I 3146
16 Light Neutron Blaster II 3041
17 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II 2490
18 280mm Howitzer Artillery II 2385
19 Dual 180mm AutoCannon II 2373
20 Neutron Blaster Cannon II 2345

Well apart from PL's use of the novelty rokh, still no-show for hybrid using ships, and still a complete absence of gallente hybrid ships even allowing for the use of the rokh.

Hrm... well other than constantly bumping this thread I wondering where CCP wants to go with blasters now. Are they satisfied with their performance as a weapon system? Are they *ahem* working as intended? On paper before ship bonuses are factored in do they perform within a tolerable difference? There is a lot of fumbling in the dark lately since the changes came live and not very much good information. If some direction or information as far as the status of hybrid weapons, and the platforms that carry them and whether or not anymore changes are coming would be appreciated as it's been 2 weeks since they changes came to TQ and over a month on the test server.


TLDR: bump, Some input plz CCP to spur discussion.

The effectiveness of the hybrid buff was perfectly clear before the release of Crucible. One could judge it from the pages of dissatisfaction expressed by hybrid user(s) when they were released into singularity.

After Crucible release, the stats spoke for itself. Currently no hybrid ships (DPS Class) are in top 20 used, other than the ROKH and 425mm T2 guns, coming in and out of the bottom ten of the top twenty list not so very often.

Based on past/present trend when any buff is new, players use it more in the begining to see how the changes benefit them.
We see a spike there (example Tornado). But for Hybrids we saw none. Still remaind largely unused.

I have mostly used it (currently am using) for PvE. Before crucible I used to fly a blaster ROKH. Now I use a Rail ROKH.
My reason for the switch is with a full rack to 425mm T2 guns I do not have to fit a PG rig anymore. Thats the only benefit for me. With javelin, the range/dps sucks with NPCs beyond 30 km. So I have to use Faction AM that generates 650 dps. I recently spend 5 Mill worth of ammo in Angel Extravaganza mission forcing me to switch over to Normal AM and that has brought my DPS to 500.
I am tired of running after ranged NPCs using Blaster boat thats why I have shunned it for now because using NULL ammo the DPS really sucks as you need from 8-15 volleys to kill a single NPC BS.

We still remain at HYBRIDS ARE STILL FLAT OUT BROKEN.

Time will definitely tell whether it takes CCP another 4 years to notice it ?

It is a little bit disapointing to have no reply from CCP.
Overall CCP communication is not very professional. Remember how this whole thread started? The thread opener was away for 2 weeks and nobody knew, people wondered whats going on...
I don't care anymore if they will do more changes or not but I would like to get an answer.
Being ignored is not a nice thing and I wonder if this company really deserves to get my money???

becouse in the past every time they made a half backed statetment or theory, they released a wave of nerdrage even calling the ccp oficials stupid :)

so now they rather sit back and read ur posts without saying anything until they have a real plan, or they say everything works as intended or do nothing until the flames of rage go down and people adjust there skill training to the new cirkumstances and we all seen how that works out.

We are here and we are reading your feedback.

We will be iterating on our balancing efforts based on the feedback in this and other threads and will release some more balancing in early 2012.