Player Features and Ideas Discussion

...and what is the drawback they are getting with this? Cloak has targeting delay. Low-sec will be deserted sec. Recons will be first pirates choice if this hit TQ and after a month they will be playing with themselfs. Where is the conflit driver in this? It's one side buff. It's not like you were thinking combat recons are not useable let's make it more popular. Hull is as much popular as community think it is. You may have your opinion about Ishtar, TQ seems to differ. This bonus will be similiar. It won't have anything to do with "recon".

You want D-scan remove ability? Make a module, with harsh fitting so hull won't have superb tank and combat possibilities.

A lot has been said already, but let me stress this again:

- PvPers will love this (cause they can catch people off guard now)
- PvEers will HATE this (cause even if you know your DScan, it's not going to protect you any longer)

I would suggest the following compromise:



-> This would still give them a surprise moment when trying to catch people
->They can scan other ships while outside of 1 AU while undetected
-> PvE people can still detect the recon ships when they are very close, but they have to be even more on guard

I really hope CCP will rethink their decision to hide ships from DScan. This would seriously break the game in many places.

That statement illustrates why d-scan immunity will create an environement where everybody safes up before he might get blobbed by scary invisible recons. It will 1) force people to fit an expanded probe launchers which they can't on most pve ships and which is pretty slow due to probe scan time 2) as mentioned make them safe up/dock/cloak immediately when they see a potential threat entering local.

Seriously, you have to give pvers and pvpers alike demanding mechanics to defend themselves from getting caught meaning that there is a margin for error. THIS is what will make fights happen: Overconfidence, the feeling of false security and not the certainty of permanent insecurity which will just lead to a higher level of evasion. Make d-scanning more sophistacted instead of bluntly rendering it useless against a certain class of ships which in terms of security effectively makes it totally useless.

You could give recons the ability to be only detectable at a 15% degree angle. This would actually add an element of skill and planning to the scanning side and to the ambushing side. This is not about personal interest: Blunt d-scan immunity will just make the game worse. If you read this please consider this CCP Rise. The notion that you do may be ridiculous to some but afterall it's worth a try.

Combat Recons will now be permanently undetectable by directional scanners

OK...apart from my blood pressure being through the roof, I will attempt to explain the folly in this without the rage....that said,

Cloaky campers....anyone???...is this ringing any bells??? Does anyone else realize what a horrible mechanic this is???? No counter, no solution, you are simply screwed. Might as well pack your bags and move to hi sec. It's not that you can't deploy a scanner...it's that it's not worth the effort.

Seriously, Whiskey Tango Foxtrot are you thinking?!?!?!?!? As if the hunter does not have the advantage to begin with....as a mouse at least you have an opportunity to run with d-scan...now you don't even get that. You cannot be a better mouse, all you can do is leave....this is really, really bad!!!! Please reconsider.

It's obvious bonus to PvPers. They are like it now, superb change, so fun. In a time they won't have so many targets to shoot, what then? If they can hunt me without any drawbacks why i should take my ship to space? Is this content? Conflict driver? Rise thinks it would change the hull fleet wise. Wrong, it will unbalance whole game. There is no counter-measure. Low-sec is best example here. There are no probes on d-scan when pirates hunts you (if they are they are lame). Fozzie at least build fits around some bonuses and drawbacks. Ok we can put rigs on freighters but it's cost us total EHP before the change.
I didn't read whole thread but

Strong counter-arguments? Anybody can link some? Post not by PvPers. Sometimes i find to post on forum futile. Immunity stays because Rise think it will be very interesting to se how this plays out...

Exactly what i meant.

I wonder why people get more Loyalty Points when plexing alone rather than getting more when doing it with friends. FW needs to be looked at, especially now when doing anything bigger than small outposts will be close to a death wish if doing it alone.
Ratting in nullsec ? Yeah right Covert HACs COVERT HACS

And my coming from someone who exclusively solo pve, yet you will have adventage. Why? What counter? This change breaks game for me. You can land on grid undetected without targeting delay. Fun for you, not for me. We don't have even chances. It's not the flying, or way of thinking that gave you the advantage, it's OP hull bonus. I have no idea how to defend against, for now.

but pve people are already completely immune to pvp. massive nerfs to your immunity are a good thing.

Canceling because you cant handle a bit of an extra challenge. How weak of you. Unless you are trolling, then I said nice troll there.