Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Changes look interesting the only stuff i'm not that happy with are the changes to the pilgrim. As it is now you can pick from the long range super neuter curse, but no cloak or get in point blank range and hard neut with the cloaky Pilgrim. After the changes the pilgrim will just be a weaker, cloakier version of the curse, and with the dscan immunity there will be few reasons to pick it over the Curse.
A cloaky WH pilgrim will have 2 of the 4 highs occupied with cloak and probe launcher leaving only 2 neuts. It is fine now with the bonus to neut amount but not without it. At least give it another high for a extra neut (and change grid to fit) OR lower the bonus range by a lot and keep the neut amount bonus.
Or just leave the neuts/nos bonuses as they are.

No they haven't, recons are invis to dscan, not probes.

You clearly have no idea what we're talking about so let me explain.

First of all you seem to be under the assumption that lowsec pvp consists of sitting in a plex and waiting for someone to warp in on you but fail to realize that SOMEONE HAS TO WARP IN ON YOU. So lets assume you're on the other end and you're the one doing the warping (which already puts you at a disadvantage). You dscan a plex and find a ship that would be a good fight, you warp in on said ship, take the gate only to find him sebo'd out the ass to insta point you and a recon that is immune to dscan sitting there ready to rip your face off, not fun.

@CCP Rise, why is it that the celestis is still more effective with damps than the recon counterparts, it gets a 10%bonus to effectiveness the T2 only get 7.5%, i think these need to be balanced so with both are 7.5% or both 10%

A number of people have replied to you on this, its all about reaction time, covert cloaked ships have a delay before they can lock, which means if you are on the ball you can react to it. Bombers are too squishy so will die, the same goes for interceptors, for example I belt rat in Stain using two Phantasms fitted for PVP, I take great care to be away from the warp in area, working out on the non-bonused range of an Arazu. A bomber decloaks I kill it, an interceptor comes in on me I kill it. An Arazu decloaks has a delay, I can try to get out or I can set myself to deal with it and what comes in, the trick here is that how close are they to you and what they bring in, but the targeting delay is key.

Also system selection is key, the system I use allows me to mainly keep an eye on the stations in terms of D-scan, so if someone undocks in an cloaky I will know that, so can get prepared, also if they warp in cloaked they generally come in at a distance and then have to get close to you so they risk decloaking.

A Force Recon ship and the one that worries me the most is the Lachesis with its long point will undock and I will not see it, it will warp to a belt and I will see it when it arrives on grid, it will have no cloak delay, so its locking will be fast, they will brick tank it and fit it for fast locking. That means that I have less time to get ready, less time to GTFO and of course then in comes the blob, the people who camp Stain currently park an AFK claoky in system and hope you think they are afk, my method is to wait a bit then go next door, normally an hour later they arrive in the system and you just rinse and repeat.

All that will happen is that these people will park up Combat Recons in multiple systems and just lock you out of any PvE, the only good things is that they cannot drop BLOPS, however the people who try to lock down Stain do have Titans, so it just becomes impossible.

My fun was operating in there regardless of these people trying to lock it down, I will even operate with people in system once I have an idea what they are in, because you fly to their weakness and your own strengths, but the Lachesis is just too damn OTT, so imagine a Lachesis and a Curse coming in on me, I have zero chance, so instead of being in space and playing I end up saying the risk is too great, so either stay docked up in station when anyone is in system or forget about NPC 0.0 entirely, which means that I have no reason to continue because hisec bores me to death...

I think its a good time to boost faction energy destabilizers and vampires range that give a good role for curse in big fleets.

I think recons already have well balanced rolls, maybe tweak the stats a bit, but even that's going to be a moot point unless you're adjusting fitting/# of slots/bonuses. This honestly just feels like more completely random ccp tweaking implemented only for the ability to say "we're doing stuff" so that people don't complain about the real problems that they cant fix because of the endless strings of backend code that they still know little to nothing about (such as off-grid boosting)

Combat Probes, people. Yes, you CAN see those Combat Recons entering system, waiting for you on a site, or escorting a friend who's running the site. Drop those probes and you'll see: if it appears on the probes and not on D-Scan, then it's a Combat Recon. That's it. And remember you can place probes all over the system, much further away than your D-Scan range, effectively covering by yourself a much bigger volume. You can even place 1 or more probes at each gate, wormhole or even some sites. And, that will warn you of any kind of ship that is not cloaked, even if you have no Local.

And the insta-lock due to not being cloaked: every non-cloaked ship can do that. Even cloaky ships, if they pursposelly drop their cloak a few thousand kilometers before landing. So, stay away from those warp--in points and you'll have time to see it arrive and mash that Warp button. Especially when the incoming ship can't warp cloaked, such as... Combat Recons. And if it lands directly on you due to Combat Probes... you should have seen them in D-Scan and have acted accordingly.

You have tools to know about incoming ships; use them and you'll avoid not only Combat Recons, but many other ships too.

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Now about the ship stats, I wonder if the Rook could get RLML's bonused too, or if that would be too much for it to have.

Things that worry me:

- I'm not so sure the Rook will be on par with the others especially because ECM tends to require more slots to work
- that Rapier will need some looking at, sounds fairly OP to me
- Dscan immunity causes all kinds of power creep problems and binary ship choice issues, a possible can of worms I'm not so sure we should open

What? what youare smoking? No one uses laechis, huggin and rook . They are more invisible than their cloaky brothers.