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What Should I Use To Kill Sleepers In WH?
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Draenok Impetus
revolt enterprises
#101 - 2014-10-21 21:08:49 UTC
damn, can only use light, medium and sentries lol
Jessica Duranin
Doomheim
#102 - 2014-10-21 21:17:30 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Draenok Impetus wrote:
which drones should i use on the ishtar fit for c3s?


I'd assume heavies

Wouldn't the sleepers eat the heavies? (idk, never did C3s with drones)
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#103 - 2014-10-21 21:22:45 UTC
Sleepers will eat sentries. At least heavies might have a chance to make it back to your drone bay before dying

Blue-Fire Best Fire
hornblower1
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#104 - 2014-10-26 16:21:03 UTC
Hi,
i'm re-joining eve from some time, in these day i have searched a lot and now i need some feadback and some help with this fitting and this tactic...could you help me?

I will run combact anom in a C4 with two pg.
Pg 1 is in a chimera and pg 2 in a tengu.

1:
[Chimera, chimera c4]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I

Ogre I x12
Templar x12
Infiltrator II x12
'Integrated' Ogre x12

2:
[Tengu, tengu c4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Info:
-i warp to anom and alig chimera to safe and orbit the tengu 5km on chimera
-chimera is cap stable (52%) with all active and 3675 tank.
-i use fighters for BS and integrated ogre for cruiser and frig
-tengu is cap stable(100%) with capacitor transmitter and cap stable(54%) without it (but i leave it active always)
-i use afterburn to orbit on chimera(speed 533m/s)
-tengu has 455 DPS and 1718 tank with remote shield and 858 without it

Change:
-i can change one large shield remote with one capital shield remote and use it just when needed.
-i can change target painter of tengu with shield booster for a total tank of 2010 with the two large remote shield and 1150 tank without it.

What do u think? Any advice? Help?
Maybe i need more target painters or stasis web for help the fighters?

In a near future(30gg) my 2 pg can use golem with quite good skill.
i think about to change the tengu with golem

[Golem, golem c4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Info:
-Dps 692
-in bastion mode 2049 tank
-cap stable 47% without Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I and cap stable 66% with it
-i will replace the two shield remote and the remote capacitor of chimera with two more Drone Control Unit I and maybe one smartbomb or a cloak

Better with tengu or with golem?
sorry for my bad english and thank u!
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#105 - 2014-10-26 23:52:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Trinkets friend
C4 W-R in Enyos + Guardians

Two nights ago we were connected to a C4 W-R. We dropped 5 Enyos, 1 Vengeance and 2 Guardians into the sites. We clocked 3 sites in 35 minutes, total haul 270M ISK.

I FRAPsed it (btw what do you all use to render FRAPS vids? I am noob at this), because I'm sure you all doubt it.

Our learning outcomes from a dry run?

1) ALWAYS MOVE. You have a 23m sig in a C4 W-R with your Enyo. it only helps vs the sleeper missiles if you are moving.

2) Guards need to position themselves to anticipate the movement of the frigs. This depends on the site, but you have to move toward the sleeper wave, and then move into a position between the current wave and the next wave. This is important as waves can be 150km apart.

3) MWD fits are essential. You lack damage projection but can cook along at 2,200m/s in the Enyo.

4) You can alpha cruisers off the field with 4+ Enyos. RR is no problem.

5) Webs.

6) Enyo fit

[Enyo, Sig Tank]

Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Dark Blood Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Explosive Plating

J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I
Stasis Webifier II
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Diminishing Power System Drain I

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Small Hybrid Ambit Extension I

785 DPS with my skills. No plate, and you will survive. Remember, you get double the buffer!

7) Guardian fit

[Guardian, Wolf MWD]

Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Corpii A-Type Thermic Plating
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Reactor Control Unit II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Regard' Remote Capacitor Transmitter
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Large 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Pulsed use of MWD necessary to keep up with your Enyos. 269m sig = virtually no damage taken anyway.

Enyos are king, but Vengeances are OK if you are really struggling to believe a tankless AF can survive C4s.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Tol Vir
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#106 - 2014-11-03 09:38:44 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
C4 W-R in Enyos + Guardians

Two nights ago we were connected to a C4 W-R. We dropped 5 Enyos, 1 Vengeance and 2 Guardians into the sites. We clocked 3 sites in 35 minutes, total haul 270M ISK.

I FRAPsed it (btw what do you all use to render FRAPS vids? I am noob at this), because I'm sure you all doubt it.

.

I think most use something Like sony Vegas, Though If you dont want to edit the footage at all, and are happy to upload as is and just want it smaller, Look at something like Staxrip.

And hmmm looks like I will have to get an enyo
Zekora Rally
U2EZ
#107 - 2014-11-04 19:15:52 UTC
Posting to confirm that scorch paladin owns in C4s. Vargur with arties and autos also works but arties will miss from time to time and switching guns means taking eyes off d-scan. With that said, a carrier is much better since you can apply damage effectively with target paint aided fighters while pre-aligned.
Zekora Rally
U2EZ
#108 - 2014-11-04 19:21:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Zekora Rally
hornblower1 wrote:
Hi,
i'm re-joining eve from some time, in these day i have searched a lot and now i need some feadback and some help with this fitting and this tactic...could you help me?

I will run combact anom in a C4 with two pg.
Pg 1 is in a chimera and pg 2 in a tengu.

1:
[Chimera, chimera c4]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Shield Booster II
Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Drone Control Unit I
Drone Control Unit I

Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capital Capacitor Control Circuit I

Ogre I x12
Templar x12
Infiltrator II x12
'Integrated' Ogre x12

2:
[Tengu, tengu c4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

10MN Afterburner II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Info:
-i warp to anom and alig chimera to safe and orbit the tengu 5km on chimera
-chimera is cap stable (52%) with all active and 3675 tank.
-i use fighters for BS and integrated ogre for cruiser and frig
-tengu is cap stable(100%) with capacitor transmitter and cap stable(54%) without it (but i leave it active always)
-i use afterburn to orbit on chimera(speed 533m/s)
-tengu has 455 DPS and 1718 tank with remote shield and 858 without it

Change:
-i can change one large shield remote with one capital shield remote and use it just when needed.
-i can change target painter of tengu with shield booster for a total tank of 2010 with the two large remote shield and 1150 tank without it.

What do u think? Any advice? Help?
Maybe i need more target painters or stasis web for help the fighters?

In a near future(30gg) my 2 pg can use golem with quite good skill.
i think about to change the tengu with golem

[Golem, golem c4]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Cruise Missile
Bastion Module I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II


Info:
-Dps 692
-in bastion mode 2049 tank
-cap stable 47% without Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I and cap stable 66% with it
-i will replace the two shield remote and the remote capacitor of chimera with two more Drone Control Unit I and maybe one smartbomb or a cloak

Better with tengu or with golem?
sorry for my bad english and thank u!

I'd only use the chimera tbh. Leave your tengu on your static cloaked so you can hear when someone jumps in. Put a smartbomb or two on the chimera for the frigs and add two target painters so you can hit cruisers properly. You don't need to be cap stable to run C4 sites in a carrier especially a chimera. Use only one cap shield remote rep for fighters. Recall whichever fighter is taking damage and send it back when aggro switches. Fill the low slots with drone damage amplifiers.
Thank me.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#109 - 2014-11-06 15:29:27 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Yadaryon Vondawn wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
HoruSeth wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
Class 3[list]
Legion


Hi

Is this still viable since RR-Sleeper-Patch? And this fit is not complete? Is this supposed to be so, which I can't imagine?

thanks for some help.


That fit does indeed look ******. Will pull it down.


Could you post a updated version of a viable legion fit please Big smile?


I don't fly legions. You're gonna need to test and post back here Big smile
hint: Test on sisi


I have made up my mind a bit and used the C3 Legion as a basis and what I came out with is the following fitting. I used as well my Zealot for C1 and would assume it works quite well without any faction the following way and I do hope to maybe find some recommendations for improvements without adding any shiny items:

[Legion - C2]
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II

Medium Energy Collision Accelerator II
Medium Anti-Thermic Pump I
empty

Subsystems
Defensive - Nanobot injector
Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Offensive - Liquid crystal magnifier
Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


223 sustained dps tank (enough!)
Conflag M w/ Tracking Speed Script: 742dps with 12,4+6 and 0,1 tracking - 29% Cap Stable all running
Scorch M w/ Tracking Speed Script: 530dps with 37,1+6 and 0,107 tracking - 40% Cap Stable all running
Scorch M w/ Optimal Range Script: 530dps with 42,2+7,6 and 0,083 tracking - 40% Cap Stable all running
Imperial Navy MF w/ TRacking Speed Script: 665 with 12,4+6 and 0,143 tracking - 40% Cap Stable all running
8,45sec. Align Time

Due to an empty Rig and the align time I am aiming a medium friction nozzle joints I rig at the moment.

What do you think?

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
Thomas Hurt
Future Ventures
#110 - 2014-11-09 20:16:04 UTC
I would much rather use a Zealot than a legion for C1s/C2s. Almost half the price, more insurable, and 80% of the DPS.

http://puu.sh/cJX0x/11f204f431.png
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#111 - 2014-11-10 10:54:21 UTC
I am using a Zealot for C1 already, but with a different Fit, which has more dps, range and tracking, but less tank (sufficient for C1 though).

For C2 your Zealot would work (decent Fit!), but I guess my current ship is much better already at that and current Legion Fitting I have started now with has more dps and range +8km Optimal for Scorch, which is a lot in C2 due to spawning ships 70km+ away from warpin!

Have you flown that ship in C2s by yourself? What are your completion times for P. Checkpoint?

On my gravestone will be written: "Died because he used sarcasm in the wrong moment"
King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#112 - 2014-11-10 11:28:23 UTC
C4 Marauding

Frontier Command Post, post RR fix, no wh fx, 26min

[Kronos, C4 Kronos]
Core A-Type Large Armor Repairer
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
Dread Guristas Large Graviton Smartbomb
Bastion Module I
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Anti-Thermic Pump I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Hobgoblin II x6
Hornet EC-300 x5
Gecko x1
Hobgoblin II x4


1st wave:
Blasters with CNAM, web, dual TCs with tracking script, smartbomb.
Warp to site at 100km, warp to structure in middle.
Drop MTU, blap webbed Defender frigs with blasters, switch to range scripts and Null, engage smartbomb while you blap the Argoses. Preserver frigs whelp themselves into the smartbomb (TCU has tons of EHP and doesn't die to your smarty, depot will go RF)

2nd wave:
Kill everything with blasters and Gecko, start from whatever frigs you can blap at range, then the cruisers but leave one for last, smartbomb remaining frigs and drop MD after you're done with smartbombing.

3rd wave:
Switch to rails and CNAM, one range and one tracking script.
Start with Preserver cruisers (RR) while you Gecko one Awakened cruiser (make sure the retards start repping the Awakened, sometimes need to switch targets to control the RR)
After preservers grind down the 3 BS with 2x range script, then Javelin for the leftover cruisers.

Bastion whenever required/feel like it

I use links so I can cheapskate the tank, they aren't really necessary but why not. I've used 2 magstabs and RAH when not using links, then swap to 3 magstabs when the incoming dps is lower. Better smartbomb might help but :effort: of remembering to buy one. You could also fit two smarties, but one kills frigs nicely in the time it takes to blap the Argoses. Neut and NOS are for "defense", they need implants to online.

Pretty happy with the completion time now, but I'm not a PVE/marauder expert so if you have any tips and tricks how to improve it I'm all ears. Other marauders could be better or worse, idk.


Khun Maa
The One Percentile
#113 - 2014-11-15 03:36:03 UTC
Whats wrong with this C3 Legion fit? I took it to a C2 to get a feel for it and the tank was more than enough of course but it seemed to take a while to kill the battleships.

Can I drop a tank mod somewhere and add DPS for C3's or is this about the best I can do?

http://i.imgur.com/xx0zBpG.png
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#114 - 2014-11-15 17:56:10 UTC
You've already got 3 heatsinks a fourth won't help much

Blue-Fire Best Fire
Khun Maa
The One Percentile
#115 - 2014-11-15 19:03:35 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
You've already got 3 heatsinks a fourth won't help much


I was thinking adding a damage rig but the dps increase was not very impressive. looks like this is just the best a legion can do then? no other better fits?
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#116 - 2014-11-18 00:25:31 UTC
Hello, I currently training several characters on multiple accounts to run c3/c4 and if possible c5's. One of the characters will be a siege/skirmish/armor booster. I'm training 3 more for either the nightmare/paladin or RR Dominix . I'm having trouble deciding which route to train for atm as I'm finishing up on my shield/armor, core and navigation skills from the intelligent/memory remap. Can someone please give me some good advice on which of the following setups are the most effective running c3/c4's and also which ones are the most cost effective risk wise?

3x RR Armor or Shield Dominix

2x Paladins (tachyons) with 2 or 3 remote cap transfers in high slot

2x Nightmares (pulse) with 2 remote cap transfers in high slot and a Basilisk


I thought about the tengus but I don't like the skill loss after death and since I'm new to wormholes I do aspect to be killed ALOT! So longs as my gains outway my loss I'm fine with it. Much help is really appreciated. Oh and I'll also have a noctis and 3 scanning characters as well (cloaked of course) :)
Orange Aideron
Voidlings
V0IDLINGS
#117 - 2014-11-23 07:04:55 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Hello, I currently training several characters on multiple accounts to run c3/c4 ... Can someone please give me some good advice on which of the following setups are the most effective running c3/c4's and also which ones are the most cost effective risk wise?

3x RR Armor or Shield Dominix

2x Paladins (tachyons) with 2 or 3 remote cap transfers in high slot

2x Nightmares (pulse) with 2 remote cap transfers in high slot and a Basilisk


1. C3 sites are a lot easier than C4 sites.
2. Paladins use a bastion module that gives them extra repairing and resistance bonus for 60 seconds per cycle, while in bastion mode they can not move, jump gates, warp, or receive remote assistance.
3. Tachyons won't track the frigates and cruisers. Fit pulses + imperial navy multifreq and faction smartbombs for the frigates.
4. I don't know if nightmares + 1 logi would work, what happens when the sleepers switch to your 1 logi ship?

In my opinion if you followed a paladin fit for C5 you can solo C3's and C4's (max maurader V skill need for dps to break RR). Then multiply paladins to run the sites faster. You don't have to do paladins you could use golems or others, you would need to try some on sisi to get a feel for what works best - and don't have to loose a lot of ISK testing.

Lets us know how you get on.

07
OJ
Orange Aideron
Voidlings
V0IDLINGS
#118 - 2014-11-23 07:11:58 UTC
Khun Maa wrote:
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
You've already got 3 heatsinks a fourth won't help much


I was thinking adding a damage rig but the dps increase was not very impressive. looks like this is just the best a legion can do then? no other better fits?


multiply ships. unfortunately that's about it.
Tuketh Sagus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#119 - 2014-12-15 00:21:19 UTC
Just created this fit, what do you think? Its supposed to be for c2 and maybe 3 anomalies.

[sleepix, Brutix]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
400mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Thorium Charge M
Drone Link Augmentor II

Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Hammerhead I x5
Iris Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#120 - 2014-12-17 02:32:27 UTC
Not sure how much that 400mm plate is helping you but I'm not sure there is anything better to put there since you really need the buffer. Also hammerhead 1's.

I also question whether a single armor rep can tank enough with only 2 resist mods one of which being a rig...