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What Should I Use To Kill Sleepers In WH?

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Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#141 - 2015-01-24 17:06:19 UTC
Winter Archipelago wrote:
I've been thinking of giving this a whirl as a solo ship in C1's and C2's, but looking at the data on the first page, I suspect that it isn't anywhere close to being feasible (only just over 200 EHP / sec passive shield, for instance).

Eagle, "Solo C1, C2 Test" wrote:


Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
EM Ward Amplifier II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Explosive Deflection Amplifier II

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Javelin M x5000
Spike M x5000
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M x5000


~500 DPS with CN Antimatter, range of 40km / 15km
Javelin would probably never be used as it adds a meager 7 DPS while halving the range.
Spike kicks it out to 146km optimal with 300 DPS.

64k EHP (53k from shields), 250 passive regen.
All shield resists are 75%+

600 m / s with prop on, 240 off.

It needs a PG implant, but that isn't too difficult (1% at max skills, 2% at high skills).

It can reach much higher passive shield regen by switching out the MagStabs for Shield Power Relays, pumping the passive regen to just over 500 EHP / sec, but it drops down to only 8 minutes of cap. Tossing in a 5% controlled bursts implant pushes it up to 9 minutes.

Any considerations on this?


Needs tracking computer or web
Susan Rhodan
Birds of Steel
#142 - 2015-01-27 13:54:48 UTC
Aquila Sagitta wrote:
[reserved for c5/c6]


Escalation Guide



so.. is this cap - escalation - guide up to date or is it outdated?
Orange Aideron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2015-01-28 01:02:41 UTC
Susan Rhodan wrote:

...
so.. is this cap - escalation - guide up to date or is it outdated?


It's still pretty good. IMO you can change it around a bit with practice.
Lord Buckwild
Buckwild's Children
#144 - 2015-02-21 17:26:38 UTC
So I've been using the C2 Harbi noted above with good results as well as a respectively similar fit for my C3 Abaddon that does well (get those watchman asap!) with hacking C3 sleeper sites (I don't dare try anoms for fear of ganks).

At this point, I am looking for a combat/scan/hack ship for C3s. I am getting tired of scanning down, switching to an attack ship then switching back to a hacker. I have not seen the stratios mentioned in the OPs page and wonder where it fits in? I have great amarr/drone skills, but will need to train up gallente skills. Before doing so, does anyone have a C3 stratios fit? I don't mind using a mobile depot if needed to switch out hacking/probe modules if needed.

Thanks ahead of time!
Aquila Sagitta
Blue-Fire
#145 - 2015-02-21 17:36:52 UTC
You could also use a strategic cruiser to scan/hack/complete sites
Lord Buckwild
Buckwild's Children
#146 - 2015-02-21 17:53:40 UTC
People have written above that T3 cruisers takes a long time to do C3 sites.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#147 - 2015-02-24 10:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
Rattlesnake could do the job quite well I think if you have the skills for hacking / scanning @ ALL V.

Nestor might be an option as well and if you are wiling to accept the price tag. Fit it for Sniper.

PS: It depends on the point of view. If you look at the legion from a Paladin or Carrier doing C3s, yes the legion / Tengu might be slow, but they are OK killspeed wise if you use a pure combat fit.

But at the end it might be more effective to do the combat part in a combat ship. Bookmark the sites and return later with hacking and salvaging ship.

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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#148 - 2015-02-27 04:47:20 UTC
SVIPULSAR

C4 sites in Svipuls.

Odin Skydiver
Alexylva Paradox
#149 - 2015-03-03 21:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Odin Skydiver
Valence Benedetto
South of Heaven Ltd
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#150 - 2015-03-09 18:20:53 UTC
Will I be okay clearing some things in C1 or C2 using an assault frigate? I'm not too concerned about efficiency / how quickly I can clear, just whether I can do it.
Hali-Marmora
#151 - 2015-03-10 03:55:11 UTC
Thoughts on this for a C2? My skills puts it around 361 for tank and 533 for dps

[Vexor Navy Issue, Shield]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Drone Link Augmentor I
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#152 - 2015-03-11 09:09:29 UTC
it probably tanks the anomalies, but you have one major problem:

533dps is hard to apply. You have no propulsion module to close the distances to the new spawns (up to 80km). Your sentries will not hit hard enough, as you lack damage-support-modules, so you have to go back to medium drones, which is roughly 350dps, which will be again decreased by travel time. Or even switch to Small Drones for frigates. All in all it will be a lot drone management and you will loose from time to time some of them as your Remote repairer will not work constantly.
A more "omni" tank would be nice as well, but hard to fit it on your boat.

You will finish the anomalies, but I would assume it will be painful to do so.

If you want to fly drones, check the Gila fit some pages ago. Works like a charm ;)

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Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#153 - 2015-03-16 23:23:51 UTC
Can a 10mn Confessor with max skills and armor/skirmish links do C1/C2's? If so, Which ones should be avoided?
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#154 - 2015-03-17 12:54:44 UTC
Unless you show the fitting I would worry if you do not destroy your own tracking by orbiting with 10MN AB.
I have read from a standard 1MN AB Fitting, which was able to do C1 and C2 anoms, but I doubt it will really sustain for example in C2 anoms with Sentries or where you do not know the position of the next spawns and may receive very hard hits from Battleships. Anyway C1 shouldn't be a problem at all.

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Garr Khan
Phoenix Logistical Services
#155 - 2015-03-17 20:25:11 UTC
Segraina Skyblazer wrote:
Can a 10mn Confessor with max skills and armor/skirmish links do C1/C2's? If so, Which ones should be avoided?


Are you using a 10mn AB because you're worried about being ganked? A 1mn AB will run C1/C2 combat sites fine, and you're still pretty hard to catch.
Orange Aideron
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#156 - 2015-03-24 01:38:18 UTC
CALLING OUT AQUILA: update the OP!

formatting: needs more ****pics
Segraina Skyblazer
Doomheim
#157 - 2015-03-24 13:23:01 UTC
HoruSeth wrote:
Unless you show the fitting I would worry if you do not destroy your own tracking by orbiting with 10MN AB.
I have read from a standard 1MN AB Fitting, which was able to do C1 and C2 anoms, but I doubt it will really sustain for example in C2 anoms with Sentries or where you do not know the position of the next spawns and may receive very hard hits from Battleships. Anyway C1 shouldn't be a problem at all.


Sorry been gone a week. My 1mn AB confessor fit tanked lv 4 mission Mordus Headhunters and Pirate Scarlet just fine with a Gila on another toon so I figure it shouldn't be a problem soloing C1/C2's. I was thinking of switching to 10mn AB to avoid getting ganked cause the 1mn AB only goes around 1286 kms in prop mode vs 2958 kms with the 10mn AB. And I was gonna fit it with a web to mitigate any tracking issues. I know my Zealot can do it but it's.......SLOW and would get absolutely rapped by a confessor or svipul.
HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#158 - 2015-03-24 15:30:01 UTC
It may work, but you have to adjust maybe the speed manually and please also check the agility with a 10mn ab. A confessor with 10MN AB has an Align-time of 15seconds! Maybe too long and you can not stay aligned with a confessor like you can do with other ships. Just saying.

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Odeva Pawen
Fliet Pizza Delivery
PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
#159 - 2015-04-10 22:10:03 UTC
Anyone found a Stratios fit that can do C1/2s? I'm using this one now, but it's pretty slow at completing them.
[Stratios, PvE Combat]

Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer

Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Large Peroxide Capacitor Power Cell
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M
Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M
Heavy Anode Pulse Particle Stream I, Standard M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x2
Salvage Drone I x5
Light Hull Maintenance Bot I x2
Light Armor Maintenance Bot I x3
'Integrated' Ogre x1
'Integrated' Ogre x4
Federation Navy Garde x4

Ignore the drones, I don't know what to use there.

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HoruSeth
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#160 - 2015-04-13 13:55:27 UTC  |  Edited by: HoruSeth
What about this. Train the C2 skills:

[Stratios, Unnamed loadout]
Damage Control II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
X5 Prototype Engine Enervator
Cap Recharger II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I


Acolyte II x6
Hornet EC-300 x5
Vespa EC-600 x5
Ogre II x8
Hammerhead II x2

30M cheaper than yours. Slightly more dps. Better applied dps due to Webifier in the Med Slot. Cap stable ALLV. You don't need to run both repairers all the time. When Sleepers neut you maybe have to be a little more careful, but should be doable. Tank is enough for C2. Be careful when flying anoms / signatures with more than 1 Sleeper Battleship. Keep Transversal up as good as possible. Have no experience with such a Stratios, but 18k EHP looks quite weak to me when the alphas come from the stronger sleeper battleships.

Have you figured out what cost's you the most time? Guess you have some issues killing the frigates? That's where a Web helps a lot! Switch to small drones, web it, kill it. Switch back to Medium Drones for Cruisers and a set of Heavy and Mediums for the Battleship.

Don't use Salvage Drones! Bookmark the site! Come back later in a real salvaging ship (Noctis / Destroyer with salvagers).

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