Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Our newbies don't appreciate you forgetting they exist. Just because we're blobbers....

Come on field and let them damp you.

I did say "maybe I'm just a dumb ass"

If my point is invalid or just stupid, please advise and move on

Polo Marco Said "The only people in these forums who listen to the "end of Eve gloom and doom" rant are the trolls."

And cecil b d'milf Said "The "Sandbox Argument", in fact, is a perfect example of fallacious reasoning - specifically Non Sequiter and Special Pleading, and can easily be countered by Reduction to Absurdity."

And Greyscale said "•We're not overly concerned about the battle rorqual; if it starts being used in a widespread fashion, we will nerf it, but we're not expecting this to happen. "

When a game builds in a plan to nerf something because people are using it then it is poor planning and poor game design. What is the point of introducing it to the game if you won't let us use it? Please Greyscale don't bother we would rather play with predictable rules not the ever changing mess you keep creating.

Cecil whatch the "Non -Sequitors". These are words that seem to be too big for you. You forget they can translate to cancelled subscriptions so it does in fact follow. You may not care but ccp does and so do I since it effects the quality of the game.

And Marco those trolls mean business.

News flash for everyone. NERFING IS BAD. It should be done sparingly if at all and not in the casual way that ccp is clearly doing it. Re read Greyscales post. Here I will post the quote again: And Greyscale said "•We're not overly concerned about the battle rorqual; if it starts being used in a widespread fashion, we will NERF it, but we're not expecting this to happen. " Yeah we will just nerf it ! No Problem!

But I pay for this service so it is a problem. I have watched them make skills completely obsolete or change the way the skill works screwing the players who trained them. You call that good game design and planning? Give me a break. Seriously if this is the future of Eve and it seems to be going that way then I will join the trolls and vote with my wallet. Believe it or not there are better options out there for less money with more on the way.


For now I will be sure not to bother training Rorqual skills since I know it's on the chopping block. It's sad because training for really cool features was part of the excitement of playing this game. Training up for a really cool feature only to see it nerfed sucks. Does that follow logically enough for you?

Ok this post is just me being funny, but apparently in the future where we are so advanced and technologically evolved beyond death, two things still have yet to be invented.

Matter to energy transporters for people (Yeah I went there)
And 5 Jump Energy Drinks (5 hour energy)

Well now that CCP Greyscale has toned down the nerf changes, I believe CCP will keep at least the subs that were gonna desub that were industrial.

One thing I see that I fail to see is that I play the game for entertainment and fun, and CCP is not offering anything new, there is nothing to go for, if you have a titan and super capitals and have been on tons of kills and have billions of ISK you have won eve in a sense. There is nothing new or more to see or achieve. If CCP would introduce new ships above capitals or something for old players to go for, thats adding content.

We can clearly see that CCP's numbers are falling on friday night at peak time with capital fights in bound TQ could barly get 20k players online. 3 or 4 years ago CCP was boasting about it reaching 56+K active pilots. What happened to the numbers, where did everyone go?

I ask this to CCP greyscale, what new content are you going to give veteran players and any others to reach for, something that would look awesome on youtube with a major expansion to get people to resub aka something new in the works.

One point back in 2005 or 2006 at fanfest there was talk about a juggernaught ship and that was bigger and badder then the titan that was the most feared ship in game, until DD was nerf'd to making the titan a taxi. I fail to see the bling factor or something to write in major game magazines now, how do you plan to get new subs or get people to resub that are directly affected by this change. I am not going to rage quit, I will over a short time de sub the capital accounts that I pay for as they are not needed and when my alliance mates stop logging in to play anymore that will be the nail in the coffin.

-BC

Ouch, common sense, logic (be careful Greyscale might hit you with the nerfbat)
There is no place for logic or common sense here, just Greyscale's drunken dream of a "better" nulsec.

Sitting in a pos for possibly hours at a time waiting for "next jump" timers is also going to make pos logistics so much more fun.
The most boring task in eve just became even more time consuming.


Press release - 6 months from now
CCP Geyscale, the Dev responsible for taking the fun aspect out of a game that "was" a sandbox "game" (game, implying fun) known as Eve Online. He recently left CCP to return to his previous employment as an accountant.
CCP regrets having gone in this direction and tried unsuccessfully to remedy the problem with more half thought out ill conceived game mechanics.

Press release 3 months later
CCP regrets it is turning off the servers at the end of this month as the drop in subs over recent months has made it impossible to maintain the game.

Eveonline sadly fell a few of months short on celebrating 12 years online.



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That tingly gut feeling that told me not to buy another 12 plex during the last sale has paid off.
8 subs, the 1st of which expires in 4 days, the rest over the next couple of months.

No you can't have my stuff, I've already given most of it away.

*coughs* Oceanincarna *coughs*

I've been doing this a long time. A friend got me to try out Ultima Online in 2003, but I didn't stay a week. I found it too cookie cutter Wizardry/Ultima styled. ( I never really like Ultima anyway) But I was Intrigued so I started checking the genre out. My first SERIOUS game was City of Heroes, which was a surprise because I was never much of a comic buff. But the team oriented mechanics and an outstanding game community drew me in. COH had a player base that was nearly 25% female. This resulted in a rather dorky PVP component, but an amazingly well behaved player base.

I've also done a fair bit of modding when the urge strikes me, Mostly in Bethesda games. I haven't published anything since Morrowind, but I have made or customized many dwellings and costumes for Oblivion and Skyrim. Skinning is easy but serious modeling is just too time consuming for me. I have an excellent grasp of things like polygon counts and script iterations. Game design is NOT easy, and changes must be well thought out and exhaustively tested.

And I'll tell you, Eve players just don't know how good they have it.

It annoys me with the way the eve community ho-hums all the graphic changes that are being done. I see the groundwork being laid for much customization in the future. All the old artwork - backrounds, gates and stations, solar effect - require thousands of meshes and textures to be redone, then proofed, all one at a time.

The industry update was a MAJOR overhaul, executed with far fewer bugs than I was expecting, given the speed with which it was implemented. And I was pleased with the six week delay, because they wanted to be sure it went off with a pronounced economic impact but a minimum economic trauma. Plus the whole property/industry functionality in game had to be moved from the region blades themselves into a common database. Have you noticed that changes in your property are now almost INSTANTLY reflected in your possesions menu? Regardless of WHERE they took place. They had to fine tune it a bit, but now it works seamlessly.

And those are just the BIG items. all the 'little' things they throw in like HUD and bracket improvements, market tooltips, and on and on and on, require the same time and QA. These people are working HARD.


In the run-up to the release of Champions Online Cryptic impressed me with their ability to make what was originally intended to be Marvel Universe Online into their own vision of a classless Superhero RPG. Basically it was a 2 year conversion of a game that was nearly ready fore beta when Microsoft decided they weren't ready to let Xbox users share an MMO with computer users. Till recently this has remained my benchmark for gold in the game studio Olympics. Now I think CCP could have done it in less time with fewer people.

More recently, when Zenimax rushed The Elder Scrolls Online into what has since become a painfully obvious TOO EARLY release, I was so disappointed in both the content and its shaky implementation that I decided not to play the game at all. this was probably my biggest disappointment. Poor planning and a worthless crafting mechanic killed all the buzz for this one quick. So yeah, full speed ahead can get you in trouble.

Oh and by the way, all those other studios have been bought, sold and traded like baseball cards, but CCP is still solvent and independent years later. So yeah, it sure looks like the long distance travel team has their wires crossed. But one thing about Eve, it teaches HARD lessons. They'll either get it right or wake up in their pod, one or the other.

Obviously they have the ability to inspire reams and reams of blog by people who have never flown one.

Jump freighters did not exist, but carriers did -- and carriers, in that time, could hold assembled ships with any kind of cargo in them in their Ship Maintenance Bays.

This allowed carriers to hold a significant amount of items, pretty close to how much Jump Freighters can hold today.

In fact, Jump Freighters were added at the same time the carrier's ability to have loaded ships in its SMB was removed.

The first supercarrier that Goonswarm built was to be used as a logistics vessel.

In short, for a significant portion of the game's existence, jumping of large volumes of goods was possible.

And let's not even talk about using dreadnoughts to do roughly the same thing (because I forget exactly how it worked and when it stopped working.)