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Ok, so after thinking about it some more... I have to say. I like it.

You want SOV? EARN IT.
You want to move things... do it the hard way, in a Charon with gates.... your nano Naglfars protecting you on the way.
You want new ships... BUILD THEM YOURSELF
You want to win the game... Keep your space longer than everybody else

The old meta "Can I bring my Drake?"
The NEW meta "Can I bring my Moros?"

Use PI to make fuel for your POS'
Use Moon Goo to make your t2 hulls
fight for your right to mine.
Carebears become useful in null sec.
No more hot dropping a 5 man BC gang
Don't move all your eggs into one basket, if your caps are 10 jumps away from one side of the space you own... your gonna have a bad time.

+1 CCP.
Just tweek JF's a bit, and make a new capital ship for moving rigged ships... name it " dýrmætur tár " and let's move on.

I'm not sure I would put it this way because it may not be true. What is true, however, is that we are the stable baseline revenue for CCP - we've been subscribed for years and years and *IF THEY DID NOTHING AT ALL* to eve we would *STILL* be subscribed in 5 years from now. Burning us is burning the cash cow and extremely risky.

On the revenues front, it seems like they are trying to avoid mega 3rd party melt down battles like B-R by nerfing force projection. However the news stories of hundreds of thousands of dollars melting down generated a huge subscriber jump and awareness of the game. I had people who had no interest in gaming asking me about EVE and were surprised to learn I played it. It was priceless marketing material that was entirely free for CCP.

Why on earth would they want to reduce such things? They should be encouraging more massive space battles!

But they seem to be rudderless with regards to marketing. The 6 week release cycle kills their semi annual marketing opportunities. I get the technology project planning strategy, but from a marketing point of view there's no big episodic "thing" to focus resources on.

CCP has never been very smart about marketing this game, but they've recently gotten a whole heck of a lot dumber, and it's probably because the engineers are running the show now. Just like accountants and marketing shouldn't be running the show, engineering shouldn't either. It should be run by all the functions responsible for a successful business.

I'm sorry but some of these go too far.

I seem to recall CCP Seagull talking about the importance of "enablers", small groups of players that "enable" other players to enjoy the game. Well your JF/Rorq pilots are certainly in those groups. The combination of the fatigue and the range bonus is brutal. Also take a look a the number of systems now in range of Jita, it's hilariously small, so good luck lighting a cyno at either of them.

On the upside all the people who were saving money for supers or titans can now put that into JF characters, having a personal JF alt to get around the fatigue issue may become a requirement.

Also have you looked at the fact that with no bonus to jump fatigue for regular freighter hulls, the common act of bridging freighters for ihub drops, station builds and upgrades to both of those will now become more difficult. This is one of those things that again is an inconvenience for larger groups, but another big barrier for small groups.

There has to be a cap on jump fatigue/cooldown. Putting aside capitals, how will jump bridges be explained to new players?

"Over there is a jump bridge. You can use them cover great distances quickly. But you mustn't use them too much, for if you do you will get Jump AIDS and never be able to jump again,"

I think the big thing is how many of these changes make "enablers" who already spend a lot of time playing this game, often for the benefit of others, look at the potential extra time added say "screw it, this is supposed to be a game, this isn't worth it." I think that's probably the most important thing you need to look at.

But given what we are now finding out about what the CSM was and wasn't told about this change, I think what we can anticipate a bumpy ride.

As someone else in this thread put it bring on The Winter of Discontent

What if CCP wanted your alliance to share the hard work of logistics because they think that just a few dudes supplying an alliance is borked?

Wrong.

It's 32 minutes of fatigue for a JF for 4 jumps

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rDMQpeKE-HzGKmFRTR69HJCk4McHyHz020Qs4Rgg414/htmlview?sle=true#gid=0

JF's are going to be incredibly quick to move compared to other capitals.

Finally Grayscale thought a good concept for EvE.

Now, if only the planned execution was not so rich of downsides...


The "let newbies come to Dekelein" is easy to fix: young clones suffer less from fatigues so they can have a reduction in timers (of course people shall exploit this, and then they'll have to create account wide cooldowns, but still...).

Many arguments are only apparently valid. In example, "we can't hit and run / ninja mine etc. any more". Yes, you'll have to set base closer to the risk and not sit in hi / low sec and then flip a switch to hit anywhere.

Also, wormholes will get a much bigger role due to their natural shortcut feature.

What I don't get are the timers, cooldowns and whatever. In 5 years, EvE will need a 2nd monitor just to show all the timers affecting a player. It sounds like a flawed implementation for a good concept.

So move to a different region if you can't handle the one you're in.

Wow 3200 posts and not locked yet :D...

Funny but I've come to see a stable pattern here. Apart from the obvious trolls (some of whom sound like people who I heard recently got banned O_O ) and CFC/N3/PL haters, the general consensus here seems to be very much against these changes. Most disturbing is the complete lack of understanding on the PRO side of the debate of the real mechanics of the eve economy and nullsec politics. So briefly here is a simple synopsis:

1) The economy in this game is almost 100% unseeded. This means that players have to make the ships we fly and the guns we blow each other up with.

2) There is a DELIBERATE IMBALANCE in game resources between null and empire space. This was done to require interaction and combat across the entire cluster. Well rounded eve players generally have both carebear and combat alts to facilate this play mechanic.

3) Like it or not, this aspect of EVE requires a certain amount of stability in nullsec combined with a workable logistics chain in order to function. Break the economy and you break the game. Sorry guys, but you can't PVP without ships.....

4) YES the current balance of power has become stale and boring, for the megacorps and smaller entities alike.



Change will be welcome and is inevitable, but to be honest, the dev proposals that have everybody ranting will quite likely not change the political status quo one bit and present a grave threat to both the in game economy and the out game economy (wasting a year of training for a JF and then having it rendered useless in one swoop will provide a substantial rage/quit motivator to those players prone to do that) Why would the company present us with such foolishness? There are many simpler and more elegant solutions to the blue doughnut than this collection of half baked BS.


The dev blog that caused all of this reminds me very much of the (LOL redacted) blog on freighter fitting. which after causing a massive resonse thread like this one was quickly 'reworked' to this blog:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=345280. Where the silly rig plan was replaced with quite viable and successful low slot plan

And funniest of all was the 'feedback' from the CSM which also seems to be suspiciously active for this thread too.......


HMMMMMM.... Would Greyscale and Fozzie etal. deliberately troll the player base?

Yeah ok for a JF pilot its not too bad. Try that moving my carrier now. 5 days.