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WHY THE JIMINY CHRISTMAS IS THE MYRMIDON MISSING A SLOT?
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#61 - 2011-12-11 18:01:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.

Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too?


The Brutix gets a tanking bonus too you know. Its actually a bit like a little Hyperion.

-Liang

Ed: Also, dude, we're talking about a 7 low Myrmidon with 125m^3 bandwidth! Do you know how ******* awesome that would be?!?!?!?

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Lili Lu
#62 - 2011-12-11 18:14:49 UTC
Wow.Roll Haven't bothered to read the op or the responses.

The Myrm's total slots are fine. Actually, it could stand to lose a turret hardpoint (or maybe even two) as long as gains another 25m3 of drone bandwidth and dronebay.
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#63 - 2011-12-12 08:49:50 UTC
here some stats for this month so far after the nice hybrid buff .... if the myrmidon didnt suck it would have a small presence as BC are by far most popular flown ship in the game according to statistics.

top 20 kills this month so far by ship.


1 Drake 79211

2 Hurricane 45044

3 Abaddon 31686

4 Tengu 21995

5 Maelstrom 18242

6 Tornado 16038

7 Armageddon 14837

8 Scimitar 11446

9 Tempest 10246

10 Sabre 9583

11 Cynabal 8989

12 Huginn 8537

13 Thrasher 8044

14 Rokh 7129

15 Lachesis 7108

16 Zealot 7076

17 Loki 7064

18 Rapier 7036

19 Rifter 7029

20 Vagabond 7024


look the minmatar t1 frigs and destroyers easily get more kills then the myrmidon =)

also looks like gallente still suck the big one as they have 0 blasters boats in top 20 even after the buff. (lachesis doesnt count rofl)

besides the drake notice how minmatar ships dominate the killboards rofl .... yeah its not even close to being balanced. the numbers dont lie ...

Buff the Myrm by giving its 125 bandwidth back ... even then it still wouldnt have a presence on killboards because heavy drones suck in pvp for the most part they cant even catch an armor tanked BC with mwd and are like 2 shotted by a cane even with max drone skills and gall bc/bs 5

for the myrm to compete with drake/cane it needs the 7th highslot and 125m3 bandwidth even then i bet it wont have a presence on killboards. unless someone creates a good projectile fit =)

but hey it looks good in your hanger and does lvl 3 missions like noone's business! Ugh
Fix My Lasers
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2011-12-12 10:47:14 UTC
Khrage wrote:
Xindi Kraid wrote:
...and it is one of the most versatile ships in EvE due to the slot layout and lack a gun bonus making lasers and projectiles viable armaments.


lasers on any non-amarr ship is full of win and beauty. i would give up a slot on any ship to be able to fit lasers and not be laughed at...


You know, you are being laughed at when you fit lasers on Amarr ship too.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#65 - 2011-12-12 10:57:43 UTC
Myrm does not need 125 Mbs, it needs 100 Mbs to separate it from Vexor, but not to make it op.

It could also well have the same slot count as other tier 3 BCs, just make the 7th high an utility slot- place for a NOS.


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Norris Packard
Horde Vanguard.
Pandemic Horde
#66 - 2011-12-12 11:58:07 UTC
Roime wrote:
Myrm does not need 125 Mbs, it needs 100 Mbs to separate it from Vexor, but not to make it op.

It could also well have the same slot count as other tier 3 BCs, just make the 7th high an utility slot- place for a NOS.




Or a place for a gang link... Always nice to help friends.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#67 - 2011-12-12 12:30:51 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I want my high agility, nos damp 5 heavy myrmidon back thanks. Not that I think it was in any way balanced.


Excellent point. Everything that made the myrmidon OP has been nerfed.

Agility? Nope, standardized, and not included in the hybrid buffs.
Nos? Nope, better use a cap booster or two (bye bye meds) and neuts.
Five heavy drones? Nope, so sayeth the bandwidth.
Sensor damps? Nerfed to uselessness, get a tracking disruptor? Oh wait, you've either got cap boosters or shield mods there, nevermind.
Instant drone shield recharge? Nope, hope you brought sparez.
Nanos? Kiss multiple low slots goodbye to be close to 'lithe and agile'.


So now that we've seen all the things that when combined made the myrmidon of old OP nerfed, why the hell are we not trying to un-nerf it?



You can still shield tank it, use lows for dmg mods and use auto canons+drones. Hybrid ship is hybrid Lol
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2011-12-12 16:35:56 UTC
Tanya Powers wrote:
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
I want my high agility, nos damp 5 heavy myrmidon back thanks. Not that I think it was in any way balanced.


Excellent point. Everything that made the myrmidon OP has been nerfed.

Agility? Nope, standardized, and not included in the hybrid buffs.
Nos? Nope, better use a cap booster or two (bye bye meds) and neuts.
Five heavy drones? Nope, so sayeth the bandwidth.
Sensor damps? Nerfed to uselessness, get a tracking disruptor? Oh wait, you've either got cap boosters or shield mods there, nevermind.
Instant drone shield recharge? Nope, hope you brought sparez.
Nanos? Kiss multiple low slots goodbye to be close to 'lithe and agile'.


So now that we've seen all the things that when combined made the myrmidon of old OP nerfed, why the hell are we not trying to un-nerf it?



You can still shield tank it, use lows for dmg mods and use auto canons+drones. Hybrid ship is hybrid Lol



I do.
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#69 - 2011-12-12 18:36:26 UTC
I wouldn't mind seeing a utility high added...with no extra fitting even

thhief ghabmoef
Viggen
#70 - 2011-12-12 18:55:46 UTC
While restoring the Myrm's dronebay to its former glory, don't forget to do the same to the Eos (another Gallente ship that was nerfed to oblivion and hardly ever seen again). P
SoapyTits
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2011-12-12 21:19:58 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:
HELL YEAH I'M MAD.
WHY
IS
THE
MYRMIDON
MISSING
A
SLOT?

DRAKE: 21
HARBINGER: 21
HURRICANE: 21
MYRMIDON: 20

WTF

WHY?
WHY CAN'T GALLENTE GET NICE THINGS?


/END AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL CCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPSSSSSSS RRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE


Now that someone mentions it... Cruisers got the same issue. All the same tier:

Maller: 15
Rupture: 14
Thorax: 13
Moa: 14


^^
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#72 - 2011-12-12 21:39:01 UTC
100mb drone bandwith would be nice and reasonably balanced. As it is heavys are pretty niche in small gang PvP and the lack of sentry mobility is punishment enough for the increased damage with them - I'd even be fine with giving the myrm 125mb back but don't think CCP would go for that.

An extra low would make the rep Myrm absolutely ridiculous, and as hilarious as that would be I don't think it'd be good for the game.
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#73 - 2011-12-12 21:42:16 UTC
SoapyTits wrote:
DarkAegix wrote:
HELL YEAH I'M MAD.
WHY
IS
THE
MYRMIDON
MISSING
A
SLOT?

DRAKE: 21
HARBINGER: 21
HURRICANE: 21
MYRMIDON: 20

WTF

WHY?
WHY CAN'T GALLENTE GET NICE THINGS?


/END AAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLL CCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPPSSSSSSS RRAAAAAAAAAAAGGGEEEEEEE


Now that someone mentions it... Cruisers got the same issue. All the same tier:

Maller: 15
Rupture: 14
Thorax: 13
Moa: 14


^^


OMG lol .... no wonder gallente have sucked for so long ... all their ships are down a full SLOT ... and even then they cant fit same size guns as minmatar ... and their guns are worse ... and slower ships ... lol wtf how did this get so out of hand CCP?

WAKE UP TIME!!!!!!
Fade Azura
Weaponized Autists Cartel
#74 - 2011-12-12 21:56:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Fade Azura
Tamiya Sarossa wrote:
100mb drone bandwith would be nice and reasonably balanced. As it is heavys are pretty niche in small gang PvP and the lack of sentry mobility is punishment enough for the increased damage with them - I'd even be fine with giving the myrm 125mb back but don't think CCP would go for that.

An extra low would make the rep Myrm absolutely ridiculous, and as hilarious as that would be I don't think it'd be good for the game.



why not? its not like ogre II's or berserkers II are anything special now even on droneboats .. they cant even catch a cane or drake with mwd and are pretty much useless at any medium or large gang warfare.

its needs its full 125m3 dronebay BACK as it had before and a 7th utility highslot to be more balanced even then .... show me a scenario where this would fit in or be better then a drake gang or cane gang .... it still wouldnt. sentries? please ... if that was the case you would see domi sentries blobs in pvp more ... but you wont .... you will see tons of drake and cane gangs i can guarentee you that. only time i see sentries in pvp are very rarely and at pos bashes =)

although i do agree a extra lowslot would make the repper myrm a bit OP a 7th utility high definatly would not ... would just mean u can toss on the drone link,probe launcher or salvager or whatever.... maybe a neut .... doubt you will have enough grid unless you use AC's tho ... AHHHH its starting again already!
Kodama Ikari
Thragon
#75 - 2011-12-14 21:19:19 UTC
utility high + 125m3 bandwidth. Just to bring it in line with other BCs

Some first-hand PI tips
vorneus
Hub2
#76 - 2011-12-14 21:40:18 UTC
SoapyTits wrote:


Now that someone mentions it... Cruisers got the same issue. All the same tier:

Maller: 15
Rupture: 14
Thorax: 13
Moa: 14


^^


Lol. Didn't notice that.

Thorax does have the most sizeable dronebay though, but yeah. Would be interesting to analyse the rationale behind that one too.

Also sad times that there's only one Gallente ship in the top20 list, and it's extremely specialised. Still, the hybrid buff has rekindled my interest in them for solo work.

-Ed

This one time, I like, totally did some stuff.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#77 - 2011-12-14 23:27:59 UTC
"Give the Myrm another Utility high!"

It already has too many. -_- Low slots are where its at.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Goose99
#78 - 2011-12-15 00:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Goose99
What Myrm needs is 2 more drones. Gallante is the only race where tier 2 HAC(Ishtar) outdps tier 2 BC (Myrm), given the convention that HAC isn't supposed to outdps BC, only outrun it.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#79 - 2011-12-15 05:59:31 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Domi just happens to have hybrid bonus instead of repping one. That's like Prophecy vs Brutix comparison, where Prophecy receives a tanking bonus while Brutix gets a damage one.

Now it might be worth discussing whether myrm needs or doesn't need 125m3 bandwidth, but stating it lacks slots is plain dumb. So, by the very same dumb logic, domi lacks slots, too?


Roll

Walter Sobchak wrote:
So you have no frame of reference here, Donny. You're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie and wants to know...
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2011-12-15 06:04:44 UTC
DarkAegix wrote:

I'VE BEEN HEADBUTTING A BRICK WALL FOR 4 <[YEARS]> BUT THE MYRM DOESN'T HAVE THE SLOT IS REQUIRES YET.


FYP Big smile