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Ais Hellia
Jita Honor Industries Union
#241 - 2014-09-25 15:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ais Hellia
Talking about unEve features, first of all it's undestroyable stations with untouchable assets, null-secs have been enjoying for years.
Why don't you whine about this?
Manic Velocity
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2014-09-25 15:45:57 UTC
Kenneth Skybound wrote:
Manic Velocity wrote:
Words and stuff...


Just curious how you'd feel if they weren't impenetrable deadspaces?

Also, please don't harp on about "minority want this, don't do it." The majority of players are in high sec space. Only a minority manage wormholes. Only a minority do reverse engineering. Only a minority solo pvp frequently. Only a minority fly black ops. Only a minority use large railguns frequently.

The minority card can be pulled on almost anything and isn't in itself a good reason to not work on something.


Deadspace pockets are already penetrable via probes. Making dojos penetrable wouldn't change anything that already exists, so I would have to question why dev time was spent on them in the first place.

And I absolutely will harp on catering to the minority when it has the potential to upset the majority. It's the same reason I, and many other people don't want more dev time spent on WiS. I've never heard anyone say they wished EVE had more instanced PvP arenas, but I'm seeing a lot of people saying that they shouldn't exist in EVE.

But again, as I said at the end of my original post, if dojos were to remain on the test servers, away from TQ, I don't think I would have a problem with them.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#243 - 2014-09-25 15:46:20 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

So its not sandbox then is it?


Eve stopped being a sandbox because of the AT?



You keep on going on about how we shouldn't stop you from doing what you want in the sandbox yet you seem fine with removing our sandbox.

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.
KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#244 - 2014-09-25 15:50:09 UTC
I may have missed it - if you boundary violate do you get popped? For training purposes I hope there is just a way to flag, with the ships getting docked or popped at the end of the timer.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#245 - 2014-09-25 15:50:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

Neither is Singularity, and yet Eve seems to be okay despite this. How are dojos any different than logging onto Singularity and doing the same thing?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Bamboozlement
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#246 - 2014-09-25 15:51:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Bamboozlement wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

So its not sandbox then is it?


Eve stopped being a sandbox because of the AT?



You keep on going on about how we shouldn't stop you from doing what you want in the sandbox yet you seem fine with removing our sandbox.

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.


No, you used some flawed logic about being able to do everything I did the same.

It's not compatible with your gameplay, I'm sad for you but this is a sandbox, sorry you are not part of the target demographic for this feature.

I have a Ph.D
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#247 - 2014-09-25 15:51:27 UTC
Not in keeping with EVE. A very, very bad idea.

One can already warp to a safespot and 1v1 with other people. Sure, they can be probed down... but that's EVE.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#248 - 2014-09-25 15:51:34 UTC
I proposed something similar to this nearly a decade ago. Now it only needs to be fully integrated in the game including betting and twitch integration. Maybe finally something of value for the WIS screen?

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#249 - 2014-09-25 15:51:34 UTC
Querns wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

Neither is Singularity, and yet Eve seems to be okay despite this. How are dojos any different than logging onto Singularity and doing the same thing?


They would be on the main server.
Lugh Crow-Slave
#250 - 2014-09-25 15:52:34 UTC
Ais Hellia wrote:
Talking about unEve features, first of all it's undestroyable stations with untouchable assets, null-secs have been enjoying for years.
Why don't you whine about this?



because CCP has already hinted at destroying stations

BLOPS Hauler
The 16.8km Bubble
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#251 - 2014-09-25 15:52:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Querns wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

Neither is Singularity, and yet Eve seems to be okay despite this. How are dojos any different than logging onto Singularity and doing the same thing?


They would be on the main server.

My point is that if you want no-consequence PvP, you can already log into Singularity and do it there.

Dojos don't add anything new to Eve in this regard.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Kael Attrell
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#252 - 2014-09-25 15:54:21 UTC
This is great, please someone keep working on this and get us up to 10v10 versions or so. I have no doubt that you can easily see past all the ridiculous slippery slope / sandbox complaints.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#253 - 2014-09-25 15:55:10 UTC
Querns wrote:
My point is that if you want no-consequence PvP, you can already log into Singularity and do it there.

Dojos don't add anything new to Eve in this regard.


Until they show up on TQ in which moment they will remove "non-" from non-consensual pvp.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#254 - 2014-09-25 15:55:16 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Bamboozlement wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

So its not sandbox then is it?


Eve stopped being a sandbox because of the AT?



You keep on going on about how we shouldn't stop you from doing what you want in the sandbox yet you seem fine with removing our sandbox.

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.


No, you used some flawed logic about being able to do everything I did the same.

It's not compatible with your gameplay, I'm sad for you but this is a sandbox, sorry you are not part of the target demographic for this feature.


Its not a sandbox element if it is an instance.

I have just as much right to gank you as you have to go do a 1v1.
Ais Hellia
Jita Honor Industries Union
#255 - 2014-09-25 15:55:42 UTC
Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Ais Hellia wrote:
Talking about unEve features, first of all it's undestroyable stations with untouchable assets, null-secs have been enjoying for years.
Why don't you whine about this?



because CCP has already hinted at destroying stations


lol "hinted"
after 10 years you gladly used them
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#256 - 2014-09-25 15:56:50 UTC
Querns wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Querns wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

Neither is Singularity, and yet Eve seems to be okay despite this. How are dojos any different than logging onto Singularity and doing the same thing?


They would be on the main server.

My point is that if you want no-consequence PvP, you can already log into Singularity and do it there.

Dojos don't add anything new to Eve in this regard.


They do on tranq. There should never be a way to shield yourself from enemy actions while you are PvPing on tranq.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#257 - 2014-09-25 15:57:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Querns wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

This thing is not compatible with the sandbox in its current state.

Neither is Singularity, and yet Eve seems to be okay despite this. How are dojos any different than logging onto Singularity and doing the same thing?


Singularity has no impact on the main (Tranq hosted) game. Dojos on singularity or duality, fine, not on Tranquility.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#258 - 2014-09-25 15:57:14 UTC
Btw, Veritas has a real chance to go from one of most respected and liked dev to most hated one in record time. How's that for a legacy?

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F4bske
Mining Industry Exile Foundation
Synergy of Steel
#259 - 2014-09-25 15:57:26 UTC
Arena like pvp in EVE ?
YES PLEASE!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#260 - 2014-09-25 16:00:10 UTC
Bamboozlement wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

So its not sandbox then is it?


Eve stopped being a sandbox because of the AT?

Jenn aSide wrote:

We are dealing with it, but explaining to them why this is a terribly bad idea. Your problem is that yo think you will get something out of this, therefore the fact that this could be bad for many aspects of the game doesn't bother you. It's basically selfishness (which infects all "solo" types).


I don't expect anything from it when I go roam for hours, same here but thanks for the logical fallacy and generalization (pro-tip : people have been soloing for years).

Also thanks for your opinion, funny how all the people complaining about this are not part of the target demographic.

ayyy lmao


The "Target Demographic" is and should be EVE players (as a whole), not some selfish special interest group who doesn't care about everyone else.