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I am sure that with the upcoming patch CCP and the CSM's have been more then busy with Oceanus. I hope now that corebloodbrothers has brought it to attention with the CSM we will see a swift response to this topic.

Well I would like to thank a CSM for making a reply. At least I know one of them is alive.

As the debaters and politicians of eve debate over all of the debatable things, I would like to point out that my only question was "Is this titan fair to bump". The overwhelming response from the community has been yes. But no word from CCP to clarify.

The reason it was asked in this forum is that most of eve is under the impression the only real purpose of the csm is to voice major player community issues to CCP and help to resolve them. This is all I have asked for. I in no way expect the CSM to be responsible for getting Aglon unbanned.

What I expect from the csm is to:

1) Confirm that Aglon was banned for bumping this Titan out of the POS shields in a manner a large portion of the community considers fair gameplay.
2) Provide the community with clear details of why it was illegal, where it is stated, and when it was posted.

The previous postings that only state "IN a POS" are unacceptable (Since we understand this one to be out of the pos), unless detailed information is included that states what constitutes as "IN" other than the obvious assumption of at least the model being 100% inside.

If I unzip and have 5% of my thing poking through my zipper and grab it, is it in my pants or in my hand? Most people would argue hand or both, not just pants.

The arbitrary ban of Aglon without questioning, proof, or even a stated policy to be broken, only indicates that CCP has no stable policy on customer relations. And I do not feel that any of us are surprised by that.

I would assume that straightening out the clarification on the banable offence would either justify or reverse it.

I certainly do appreciate that a CSM member finally saw fit to comment on this. Thank you. What I do not appreciate however is a comment that is blind and un-informed. Clearly the CSM member who did respond has no real understanding of how the Titan was bumped, or what the circumstances were at all. Since he sited a an upcoming change that would in NO WAY have effected this situation were it in effect at the time. C'mon CSM I really do expect more from you, and I think everyone else does as well. We are not asking you to pick sides, we ARE asking you to advocate for the player base who wants a clear resolution to this issue. I think you all should be able to handle that.

Thanks for the reply corebloodbrothers and I am glad you can at least admit you personally find the ban excessive, we also much appreciate you raising it internally.

Hopefully you take on the responsibility of representing our interests in this matter and fight our corner as a CSM for the greater good of the players who elected you.

So let me get this straight.

Besides overcoming a huge learning curve, I am supposed to know about a list of rules that are scattered about various forums and dev blogs?
That the rules are sometimes not very specific and can be interpreted differently depending on the person who happens to get the ticket.
That the accused is asked no questions before being banned from the game.
That there is a possibility CCP has no logs of the events? So the ban was based on what evidence? Leading me to surmise that a person can be banned for simply being accused of something?
That when asked for a clarification on a rule that can get you banned CCP chooses to completely ignore everyone.

What is CCP afraid of? Obviously something other than basic customer relations.

I am now also unclear of exactly what the purpose of the CSM is? The only one to reply in what seems to be days, was clearly afraid to support anything. But at least had the courage to be seen.

Unless I am completely wrong about what is going on.

I wouldn't rule out that the pilot has other appeal-able offenses against him to receive the ban hammer.

Clarification would be appreciated though, from this new pilot perspective.

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I think it is time to step it up a notch or two, Roll the twitter feeds and the forum posts. #FREEAGLON.
What rubbish that the CSM can't do anything about it what the hell were you voted in for. To be the players voice so do something about it. You guys are in constant contact with CCP. This ban is a bloody joke and any sane person know this. Pull your fingers out.

The day in and day out contact the CSM has is with the development staff.

That does not mean that nothing has been said, done, or brought up. It is that our normal daily communication pathways do not involve speaking with the GMs about player bannings. This processes does not often have the speed those involved would like to see.

There is also a question of clarity. There is a News Article from June of 2013 about starbase force field ship bumping that states it is an exploit. This information is accessible but buried and these scattered rules and policies about the website and forums need cohesion. A central location of some sort. It is also why I am pointing out the policy but not saying, "Oh well" because that policy is buried under almost a year and a half of information. I do not consider that reasonably accessible.

I will also be at Eve Vegas.

This article still does not answer the question that we are all asking. What the community is wanting to know is what the definition of "inside a force field". Is it targetable, is it a certain percentage of the ship out, is it totally out of the shield. That is what the community wanting to know and what this thread is about. We all know that the CSM doesn't having anything to do with that ban but we need clarification on what we are aloud to do in the game. We need to not be scared of what we are seeing/doing when we see a ship is exposed and not think back and ask ourselves "are we going to get banned for this". This game is about acting before thinking sometimes.