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[Oceanus] Interdictor Updates

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Oikaze Maricadie
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2014-09-18 10:26:34 UTC
Eris still needs 3 mids and 3 lows instead of 2 and 4 I think to be competitive. It can't brawl since it can't use scram/web and it can't really kite either due to fitting issues.
ivona fly
Black Fox Marauders
Pen Is Out
#62 - 2014-09-18 10:31:15 UTC
On this toon i trained missiles first, mainly because i liked the cool animation that rockets / missiles have.Cool

Everybody told me missiles suck for PvP, train turrets, but i did not listen as i wanted a Missile spewing pilot.

Since then every second release seems to effect missiles in a negative way, even if not intended (RLML)

it just seems to me like:

Drake broken ..... nerf missiles, tengu broken nerf missiles ... wait what.. tengu can use light missiles now as only viable launcher system?.... okay nerf missiles ..... tengu now uses rails (job done) crow OP ..... errrm nerf da missiles.

Lol
fox targaryen
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-09-18 10:58:52 UTC
Gorski Car wrote:
First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak out—
Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted

Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot

Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Linked Pilot

Then they came for my Light Missiles
-and there was no one left to speak for me
per
Terpene Conglomerate
#64 - 2014-09-18 11:07:33 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
why are dictors crazy fast, while destroyers are slower than cruisers?


destroyers are designed to kill frigate class ships .... oh wait
Budrick3
Moira.
#65 - 2014-09-18 12:39:07 UTC
Please don't mess with light missiles. Frigates are supposed to die quickly because they are inexpensive. The meta game of eve already Permits to many frigates to be viable and light missiles are the only viable counter right now.
Oddsodz
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2014-09-18 13:01:33 UTC
I Must say, I am not too sure about the ROF change to the Eris. As somebody that flys a HULLTANKED Eris in lowSec a lot (Not trolling Go look at my killsboards at zKill). That 5% to damage is very important to me, It is what gives me the chance to kill something when I finally get in range before I explode. It's the amount of alpha striking with blasters when I do get in range that makes this work. Now if you change that 5% damage to 5% ROF, That means I have less alpha striking and have to do more shots on the target for it to die. This means I have even less time to kill something, Because we all know blasters have poor range projection. So I would ask that you don't change that. Also I would love a Mid slot, Or and some more HULL hitpoints please ;-) But I can live with out it lol
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#67 - 2014-09-18 13:23:41 UTC
Oddsodz wrote:
I Must say, I am not too sure about the ROF change to the Eris. As somebody that flys a HULLTANKED Eris in lowSec a lot (Not trolling Go look at my killsboards at zKill). That 5% to damage is very important to me, It is what gives me the chance to kill something when I finally get in range before I explode. It's the amount of alpha striking with blasters when I do get in range that makes this work. Now if you change that 5% damage to 5% ROF, That means I have less alpha striking and have to do more shots on the target for it to die. This means I have even less time to kill something, Because we all know blasters have poor range projection. So I would ask that you don't change that. Also I would love a Mid slot, Or and some more HULL hitpoints please ;-) But I can live with out it lol


The ROF 'bonus' also means that if you turn on the heat on your guns, you are doing it wrong..

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Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#68 - 2014-09-18 13:52:54 UTC
I like those thanges, the Eris and Flycatcher were pretty bad.


On another subject, how many years do we have to wait for a properly balanced HAC lineup ?
They need another pass for Oceanus rather than for the next'next update.
Powers Sa
#69 - 2014-09-18 14:06:13 UTC
Capqu wrote:
Henry Plantgenet wrote:
What about fixing the issue with agression on the dictor's bubble?
first it got agression, now there is no way to agress a dictor by its bubble.
This is overpowered and i was expecting a change to that was fairly disappointed.
Nice the eris gets a buff but still not getting at the crux of the problem with interdictors.



warping in bubbles to aggress was unintuitive and obscure. however the issue of dictors on an npc null station really needs to be looked at

Seeing as how your buddies in BL invented it, no one is crying for you guys. Don't forget the Karan roots whence you came.

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Phoenix Jones
Small-Arms Fire
#70 - 2014-09-18 14:51:03 UTC
The Eris is in a odd place. I've pushed that thing up to 10k in hit points and got a full rack of 75 rails on it. Even dual propped it. Dps is anemic though for any non at 0 brawler. The potential is there though. I'd probably feel better if it got a boost to its afterburner (similar to the cruor). That'd make its blaster version a pwnmobile though. Overall, if it had the ability to fit 125 rails it'd be good.

Yaay!!!!
Circumstantial Evidence
#71 - 2014-09-18 15:07:22 UTC
Faren Shalni wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
There needs to be a new warp disruption bubble for the Interdictors that is capable of stopping interdiction immune ships.
Point on the doll where the interceptor touched you
If the main goal of bubble immunity was to make mining fleets in deep null a bit less safe to fast roaming gangs, 'safe' behind their gates with 10 anchored bubbles, this interdictor-only special bubble idea could be balanced by making it expensive. 20, 30 mil? Plus you might have to reload for the special bubble, and that's one minute :)
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2014-09-18 15:13:12 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Hey everyone! As CCP Seagull mentioned in her coming in Oceanus dev blog, we're following up with Interceptors and Interdictors this release to apply some more polish.

These Interdictor changes are fairly minor as we consider the balance of this class fairly healthy. They are mainly aimed at helping the Eris, Heretic and Flycatcher compete more strongly against the Sabre for applications where combat ability matters.

One important module tweak that applies significantly to these ships (we'll be discussing it in more detail in an upcoming module balance blog) is that in Oceanus Light Missile Launchers will have their Rate of Fire decreased by ~6%.

Eris:
Replace the +5% Small Hybrid damage bonus with +5% Small Hybrid RoF
-50000 Mass

Heretic:
Replace the +5% Missile damage bonus with +5% Rocket and Light Missile launcher RoF
-5000 Mass
-0.1 Inertia

Flycatcher:
+1 Launcher
+10 CPU
+3 PWG



is is really -50 K mass for one and -5 K for the other?


Those numbers are significant but not totally weird, as it'll bring Eris to 1200t and Heretic to 1300t.
Angrod Losshelin
modro
The Initiative.
#73 - 2014-09-18 16:00:43 UTC
Baali Tekitsu wrote:
Gorski Car wrote:
First they came for the Tracking Enhacers, and I did not speak out—
Because I didn't have tracking enhacers fitted

Then they came for the Tier 3 Battlecrusiers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Tier 3 Pilot

Then they came for the Skirmish Boosts, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Linked Pilot

Then they came for my Lights
-and there was no one left to speak for me


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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2014-09-18 16:16:54 UTC
Budrick3 wrote:
Please don't mess with light missiles. Frigates are supposed to die quickly because they are inexpensive. The meta game of eve already Permits to many frigates to be viable and light missiles are the only viable counter right now.



Pirate frigates are not so cheap. Specially one properly fit that cost over 150 M isk

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2014-09-18 16:18:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
remove

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Swiftstrike1
Swiftstrike Incorporated
#76 - 2014-09-18 16:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Swiftstrike1
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Casual Incursion runner & Faction Warfare grunt, ex-Wormholer, ex-Nullbear.
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#77 - 2014-09-18 17:20:19 UTC
So.... which Null sec entity cried hard enough for CCP to resume the missile nerfs? Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it.
Also, stop screwing with missiles already!! What is it with you people and your hate boner for missiles?
Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#78 - 2014-09-18 17:34:15 UTC
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it.

It was me, I did it. I told progod and progod told Fozzie and now here we are.

Although, as long as we're being honest - doesn't all expansions look like that to you?
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#79 - 2014-09-18 17:45:21 UTC
Ravcharas wrote:
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
Oceanus looks to me like Null sec batphoned their pocker-Devs and now everyone else has to deal with it.

It was me, I did it. I told progod and progod told Fozzie and now here we are.

Although, as long as we're being honest - doesn't all expansions look like that to you?

You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction.
Arthur Aihaken
Kenshin Academia.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#80 - 2014-09-18 17:59:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
You caught me, guess I'll go back to my bridge and stop questioning why CCP decided to nerf an entire weapon system with that 6% RoF reduction.

CCP Fozzie "rebalances" by buffing drones and nerfing missiles.
CCP Rise just screws things up royally (I'm honestly surprised he's allowed near cutlery…).

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