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Apparently you don't realize there is risk EVERYWHERE in EVE. The miners face risk of ganking everyday. Granted the risk is low if proper precautions are taken, but it's there. Freighters get ganked everyday as well. So a miner might spend 2-3 days mining enough ore to fill a freighter only to have a group of guys looking for a bit of fun come along and pop it for sh*ts.

No there is real risk in high sec. Besides, who said I was trying to get rich? I just want to survive and not take a loss every day. Whether or not you are part of a corp, mining works in regards to risk/reward ratio. That's the way it should be. The lower the risk the lower the reward. No need to reduce it any further.

I guess you don't have to worry about any new miners starting out in EVE. They won't last past a couple weeks.

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I have reposted this in a new thread under general discussion. I would prefer responses to be posted on that thread. I don't want to make multiple threads but rather than delete this one just want to direct people to the new thread for more discussion.

New thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4831467#post4831467

Okay, so the new update for Crius is here and I've read the updates about reprocessing. I have read the charts as well, and here is where I begin to have a problem. I understand the new methods, and don't have an overall problem with the reduction in percentages for yield, because I do understand that the same amounts of materials will result from before, it just looks different.

The problem for me begins thusly:

1. The chart that is given in the Dev post states the different percentages based on skill level, reprocessing, reprocessing efficiency, and the +4 implant. This chart says that if you have all of these things in place then your yield will be 72.4%. Okay, I understand this, no problem. However...

2. My current skills based on the chart do not show correctly when I go to reprocess ore. It says that my % of reprocessing is 68%. Here's what I see when I took out some pyroxeres and tried to reprocess them in the Tash Murkon Family station in Tash Murkon Prime. It says:

Base yield: 50%
x1.15% bonus from Reprocessing (positive in green)
x1.1% bonus from Reprocessing Efficiency (positive in green)
x1.08% bonus from Ore Processing skills average(positive in green)
x1.04% bonus from Zainou Beancounter Reprocessing RX-804 (positive in green)
x1.0% reduction from station owner tax (IN RED - REDUCTION)

Okay, so here are my skills:

Reprocessing - Level V
Reprocessing Efficiency - Level V
Pyroxeres Processing - Level IV (only skill not at level V)
Zainou Implant - + 4% yield
Standings with Tash Murkon Family - 9.30 (Connections 4 raises your standing from 9.16 = Excellent Standing)

The problem I see here, based on the chart is that I should have no penalty from the station owner tax. When I go to reprocess the ore and view the possible results the results specifically show that 0.0 is being taken by the station owners, but I'm still having this negative % show up in the formula, and I believe this is what is lowering me to 68%. I have Excellent standings with many many corps all over Eve, so I can reprocess ore at no penalty, but even with the highest standing with Tash Murkon Family I am still showing a negative percentage (x1.0) in the formula being generated. If I am reading the chart correctly then I should be at 71.0% for reprocessing ore, since my skills (all but one) are maxed and I have the +4% implant.

When I calculate the percentages ( 50 x 1.15 x 1.1 x 1.08 x 1.04) this equals 71.04%, which is what I should have, so why am I receiving a negative penalty for Corp standing when I am 9.30 standing with Tash Murkon Family?

Can someone show me where I am either wrong, or not including something, or if this is a mistake that just hasn't been fixed by CCP yet.

If more details are needed please let me know.

Thanks,

Ram

so... not to dig up an old thread, but what moron thought it would be a good idea to make the max possible refining bellow 100% and then add more minerals to everything? I mean, that's rookie **** guys. How hard is it to define a point where you want perfect refine (max skills, max standing, max implant, etc.) and work backwards? I mean seriously, that is the kind of crap that a 15 year old pulls when they realize they didn't finish a project and it's due tomorrow. "Don't have time to do it the right way so f it, I'll just add to the base yield to make up for it. No one will notice"

I mean, you talk about how steep the learning curve is for this game and then you do crap like this so that new players can't just look at what the ore refines into since it is literally not possible to ever get that out of the ore in any way.

Bush league CCP, just plain bush league.

That's a lot of anger for something quite minor.
Also you should know the devs who make these changes read these threads too. The more personal attacks we levy against them, the less likely they are to keep reading. So thanks for that.

That's not really an excuse for such choice of words.

On the topic: As the pre Crius 100 % were achievable pretty easily (on e.g. 50 % base yield stations), there had to happen something to lay the groundworks for future increase beyond the maximum (which currently is 60% base, around 86% maximum). And striving for perfection from a character standpoint has always been was something achieved from skills (and implants) - just not for refining pre Crius. That flaw just got corrected, angering those that were too comfortable with it.