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And yes, I did notice the 48 rokhs mixed in with the 70 abaddons and 17 maelstroms you used against ccp. I also noticed the loss of 5 of those rokhs and none of the abaddons or maelstroms. While I applaud PLs use of innovative setups, I don't believe we'll see this become one of your shining successes. I live in hope that you might prove me wrong.

Oh, and when will we see gallente rail bs in your fleet?

your pretty dumb my friend, because you obviously wherent in the engagement you assume we all engaged at the same time.

we went in first with the rokhs/maels and fought ccp for about 40 minutes, before NCdot came in abaddon in the end to finish them off.

you also forget that those abaddon all had t2 trimarks, dev implants that give them a 40% ! resistance and HP bonus aswell as 6% hardwirings .

Also their fleet was FC'ed by our CSM dude Elise randolph so we won either way hah! :P

And you will see a gallente rail BS in our fleet when you can properly shield tank them.

I seem to school your corporation/alliances camps pretty well with my fail Gallente ships. You know, when you guys try to gank me. I suppose the good fights you throw me in local after I spank your whole crew solo is not a very honest response. (not to mention a nice little fight with, BlackBeard NL, she1and some other dude( friend dies because the other 2 ran away).

Also, you and your whole crew are a joke. Why anyone would listen to you could only reflect badly on them. (although you guys did get me back buy blowing up my rookie ship (nice camp)...)


Also, like I've said in a thread 2 weeks ago. Rail-guns have been boosted significantly. The power grid and CPU alone was a big boost to rail-gun.


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It's 'outperfomed' merely cause of ROF bonus, which inreases cap consumption by 33%. It's idiotic to ignore different bonuses Abso and Astate receive.

We can discuss any range up to 80 km or w/e. The thing is, you can not ignore range superioirty, otherwise let's pull out blasters and they say they're fine cause they deal a crapload of damage.

A straight comparison between rails and beams show that rails are already ahead. As I said, use a typical pair of bonuses - that is cap usage and damage ones. Wanna compare Brutix vs Prophecy?

What are you talking about? I've seen barely an attempt of comparing apples to oranges. You threw away drones the Deimos has at its disposal - unlike Zealot - and then claim Zealot to outdamage it by a huge margin? Nice trick.
Astarte vs Absolution - Astarte is already ahead damage vise even without its superior drones.

It makes no sense to ask for Gallente boats fitted with Rails to outdamage Amarr ones with Beams at short range and still leave them with greater dronebays, superior range and better cap stability.

What exactly are you asking for?

The golden age was in 2006, before the hp buff and rigs. Blaster ships where quick and did pack lots of punch. Gangs where a lot smaller, not anybody flown and fitted T2(because it was quite expensive, like 260M Vagas etc.). However even then they where pretty niche, compared to the all out pawn mobiles that the nos\ecm drone ships where.

During the nano age they where usable at least, given they had proper control and the ability to actually deploy her damage at close range. The mega was mostly popular because of her ability to lay down the hurt and reach out to full point range to at least force nano ships out of point range. Ofc the mega had the ability to go after undersized hulls, but hey w/o this ability it became pretty much useless, as most of the blaster ships. Not everybody flown a solo BS(actually it was only a very very small minority) so most of your targets where undersized(similar as today when I take my pest for a spin) and the reason the mega was actually useful(different to today, where it is on of the worst ships for the job).

People often play down the role of the web, it isn't really about killing frigs with BS, but being far less affected by tacklers(since they will hardly survive her doing) what gives you a similar ability to solo with this ship as a nano ship got(since it is harder to tackler) and keeping the ship fairly mobile. Controlling the fight is also a very important point, even if the odds are stacked against you(still being able to hold your target at your range against multiply targets and under multiple webs). Another point is that it allows you full 28km point range, since you don't need to a scram(what is pathetic when it comes to BS) and gives you back sig bloom on the target and the with overall lower transversal at very close ranges that you need to archive peak DPS at point blank(similar as a Oracle or nano Pest would force this scenario against MWDing targets somewhere between 15-24km).

Sure a Abaddon could kill a mega in a 1o1, however it wasn't able to catch it or many other ships. Even if the mega would have lost against any kind of BS in eve, it would have not been be a big deal(similar as a nano pest today) because 1o1 against another BS is mostly irrelevant when it not happens or when you simply can avoid it. What matters is the real performance of the ship against targets you actually encounter. This is also the point why blaster ships suck so much, they look balanced around a theoretical scenario, that however isn't encountered ingame(if you not a real fan of empire wars at least), while they lack what it takes to actually be useful in the situations you encounter ingame in Low Sec or 0.0.

Edit: Between the nos nerf and the projectile buff, the pest was pretty bad overall and one of the last BS you actually took serious into pvp.

wtf this thread is like groundhogs day... its just the same damn arguments over and over again... tallest please post some more changes for sisi next week so we can test them and start a new conversation...because this endless talk its getting redundant!

I was not playing eve-online in 2006. So I wouldn't know if what you're saying is factual. Gallente battleships with 90% stasis webifiers would not increase their viability that much. Mobile ships will still be @ a advantage. Although engaging sub-battleships will be more effective. Once in stasis webifier range but, from what I've been reading in this thread. That's the problem to begin with (even getting into overloaded stasis webifier range). I have no issue getting into range, but Gallente battleships also have very strong defences and adequate damage projection. Which compensates for lack of mobility. Again, I don't have issues with Gallente battleships solo and I'm pretty sure most in this thread are focusing on medium turrets.

The damage of hybrids are pretty sweet now - but the balance between Gallente and minmatar ships are off and hybrids still need a look into the ammunition.

Minmatar ships need a slower acceleration and gallente ships need a faster acceleration while remaining the current top speeds. Unless the game mechanics are misleading I think an increase to minmatar ship mass and decrease of gallente ship mass should do a fantastic trick.

Those minmatar flying junkyards should be fast ships with their plenty rockets, however I don't see why the well designed gallente ships shouldn't be allowed much better agility including acceleration/deceleration?

Who's using all the Drakes? I thought large Drake blobs were readily counterable these days?