Wormholes

Less people / targets in wspace cannot be considered a win by anyone, surely...

So it's been a little over 7 days since CCP has posted in this thread, and I think a little over 4 since an ISD confirmed CCP does not and has never lived in wormhole space. Makes me take a real long look at Star Citizen and E:D.

This is pretty much spot on to what i expect to happen.

Hey everyone.
I want to post to remind you guys that we're not ignoring this thread, we're continuing to follow all the feedback on the Hyperion changes, as well as watching metrics extremely closely.

I understand that for some of you the fact that I'm posting in this thread without announcing something new may be frustrating, but we also don't want to give the impression that we've stopped reading.

We can't promise that we'll always agree with each of you on every particular issue, but we will never stop accepting feedback and re-evaluating the state of the game.

Thank you Fozzie, really happy to hear from you, we wish you well with this as your success is our success.

I wont address any issues in reply, we have given you our best, honest, clearest advice and suggestions. Not because we wish for gain, or an easier life, but because we have real concerns, we hope we have been able to help you see that the environment we live in is actually complex in its simplicity. A real work of precision, and that fine work is the way, to improvement and large and powerful features and changes, can just wash it all away.

Thanks again for reading all this.

Anyone willing to wager 1b that this *isnt* gonna happen? I swear it isn't a sucker's-bet.

e: Sorry for my cynicism, but if you really had anything to say, it would've been 50 pages back, or even after the 30-page thread that was locked.

It's good to see CCP commenting on these feedback threads after a long silence. I was glad to see improvements made on the other Hyperion issues.

On this issue, the fact that there is no data or discussion of the direction on this change leads me to believe that the intention is to keep the change intact in the current form. I hope that the next time CCP Fozzie comments on this thread I'll be proven wrong.

Well, to be fair, he has said that he has had some of the numbers he was waiting on and keeping a very close eye on what they are showing. He is unlikely to keep the mass spawn when he sees that his metrics confirm what we have advised him would happen.

He naturally wants what is best for the game, he is not some dictator who wants to punish his citizens, like any of us he will want to do the best job he can.

One truly cannot expect anyone who has not lived in wormhole space to understand it.
It was simply designed with the minimum of mechanics.
They were completely unknown and undiscovered. And that was part of their complexity.
Naturally if someone thinks that things are stale they try to get back to that. But we have seen them and learned, and fozzie knows we will discover them quickly again.

So he chose random blind luck as the mechanic to make it so we could not discover them.

It makes sense if you do not understand what we have made of it..and why we call it home.

He is quite right, we cannot adapt to blind luck, ever.

But if we are just going to be a sacrifice, or a victor, depending on how it plays out, we are totally 100% not interested.
Quite simply there is not a single long term wormholer with a gamblers mentality. They Fled, They were exterminated or made extinct here long ago, wormhole space was too dangerous to rely on luck, if you did? It was ALWAYS bad and ended in disaster.

We may go all in bhalls deep, and get completely wiped out, but there is not an iota of gambling involved in that decision, we are pitting ourselves against the likelehood of dying horribly, but our skills will maybe shine through. Maybe.
If we win? The victory is even sweeter.

It is that the mass spawn change, is just a completely hateful concept to us, we live or die by our skills, our tactics, our abilities, our control or lack of the battlespace. And those who we engage in combat do the same.

We just will not ever accept that our victories or losses if decided by luck, are meaningful in any way.
And without that there is absolutely no reason to be here.

We make our own destiny, there is no fate but the fate we make for ourselves.

We are not the sort of people in game or real life willing to surrender our future to chance.

That is why, no matter how often we are told by someone who has our best interests at heart, that it is good for us, we still will never accept it.

It is not a matter of a battle of wills, it is asking us to be different people at the deepest level. This just cannot be.
And that is doomed to make for disappointment, and is not ending well.

Please remove it at the earliest opportunity, as the more who experience it's effects the fewer there will be.

I recommend checking out threads in Warfare and Tactics sub that deal with fits that let you fight outnumbered. Like this:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=296524

At least he has a good sense of humor.

Cheered me up a bit.