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[Hyperion Feedback Thread] Mass-Based Spawn Distance After WH Jumps

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Nolak Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2081 - 2014-12-22 10:59:15 UTC
Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:
Wonder if they ever gonna show us the data...


I'll bet you a Guardian-Vexor they won't.

Arya Regnar wrote:
I guess now it isn't so terribly bad since you can slightly mitigate the risk by just using a slowass tempest/apoc/raven/mega with higgs rig (it puts these 4 to just under 200 kt and with ab they get bumped to just under 300 kt).
It is still just as dangerous as it was but now you get to risk a 190m ship instead of an orca.


Still just an attempt to cover up how badly they messed up in our minds.
Andre Coeurl
Embers Children
#2082 - 2014-12-30 02:09:43 UTC
So it looks like 2014 will close with the devs NOT showing us any evidence supporting their sticking to this mechanic,.nor answering to all the people telling them their choice was bad.

At least among those X-mas presents celebrating this year's events it would have been smart to have an "invisible Hyperion threadnought", maybe not as much as an actual answer but at least it would have been... funny? XD
Nolak Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2083 - 2015-02-09 13:18:25 UTC
Tiger Tesla
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2084 - 2015-02-10 01:43:37 UTC
has it been stated what the trend was before? Due to a relative increase in "space junk" in wormhole space, could some of these poses also be offline? I know a lot of people just pack up shop and leave the sticks. Number of poses in space is a very strange way to base activity. Also, they buffed wormhole income with blue loot and t3 destroyers. What this fails to address is that CCP hurt wormholes before trying to sweeten the pot to bring people back/keep people there. The issue still remains how CCP disregarded many of the concerns and well reasoned arguments and pushed it through without the buffs that came later. Done all at once and wormholers might have been rejoicing in mass.
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
Great Blue Balls of Fire
#2085 - 2015-02-10 18:27:07 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:


That is completely useless information. Based on number of poses? Come on.

If I had a dollar for every wormhole with or near full moon coverage with small towers that I've seen I'd probably have about 50 dollars ... and if I owned those towers about 900 towers. The number of towers is a completely useless metric in determining an increase or decrease in the number of wspace residents.

I would love to see 7 day averages for the number of people logged off inside each class of wormhole pre and post each expansion. That would be a metric with value.
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2086 - 2015-02-10 18:40:51 UTC
I have very much enjoyed the unpredictability this change has brought to wormhole collapsing. It has brought many good kills.
Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
#2087 - 2015-02-10 19:07:32 UTC
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:


That is completely useless information. Based on number of poses? Come on.

If I had a dollar for every wormhole with or near full moon coverage with small towers that I've seen I'd probably have about 50 dollars ... and if I owned those towers about 900 towers. The number of towers is a completely useless metric in determining an increase or decrease in the number of wspace residents.

I would love to see 7 day averages for the number of people logged off inside each class of wormhole pre and post each expansion. That would be a metric with value.



Even that metric wouldn't be fully useful. I know I have 4 accounts worth of toons loged in a c2 cause its my PI wh.


And ya do those tower stats include offline towers? I know there are a couple in a C2 that I cant be bothered to remove (corp has been inactive for 2+ years) .


Sites run or holes closed prematurely (aka not end of natural life) would be a little more useful I think.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2088 - 2015-02-11 06:25:26 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:


That is completely useless information. Based on number of poses? Come on.

If I had a dollar for every wormhole with or near full moon coverage with small towers that I've seen I'd probably have about 50 dollars ... and if I owned those towers about 900 towers. The number of towers is a completely useless metric in determining an increase or decrease in the number of wspace residents.

I would love to see 7 day averages for the number of people logged off inside each class of wormhole pre and post each expansion. That would be a metric with value.



Even that metric wouldn't be fully useful. I know I have 4 accounts worth of toons loged in a c2 cause its my PI wh.


And ya do those tower stats include offline towers? I know there are a couple in a C2 that I cant be bothered to remove (corp has been inactive for 2+ years) .


Sites run or holes closed prematurely (aka not end of natural life) would be a little more useful I think.


The next one is on NPC kills. But its having to be checked by a whole load of people.

Players logged off is something they can do how ever a break down in to 7 day cycles per class would more than likely have to be sorted through analytics.

The players logged along with pos numbers are a couple (very basic) ways of looking at growth in w space.

I'll have to ask about holes closed prematurely and see if I can get it broken down by class.

The other thing to remember is I don't always get what I ask for and even askingfor some of this stuff can take weeks (if not months).

Lady Rift
What Shall We Call It
#2089 - 2015-02-11 15:20:24 UTC
corbexx wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:
KC Kamikaze wrote:
Nolak Ataru wrote:


That is completely useless information. Based on number of poses? Come on.

If I had a dollar for every wormhole with or near full moon coverage with small towers that I've seen I'd probably have about 50 dollars ... and if I owned those towers about 900 towers. The number of towers is a completely useless metric in determining an increase or decrease in the number of wspace residents.

I would love to see 7 day averages for the number of people logged off inside each class of wormhole pre and post each expansion. That would be a metric with value.



Even that metric wouldn't be fully useful. I know I have 4 accounts worth of toons loged in a c2 cause its my PI wh.


And ya do those tower stats include offline towers? I know there are a couple in a C2 that I cant be bothered to remove (corp has been inactive for 2+ years) .


Sites run or holes closed prematurely (aka not end of natural life) would be a little more useful I think.


The next one is on NPC kills. But its having to be checked by a whole load of people.

Players logged off is something they can do how ever a break down in to 7 day cycles per class would more than likely have to be sorted through analytics.

The players logged along with pos numbers are a couple (very basic) ways of looking at growth in w space.

I'll have to ask about holes closed prematurely and see if I can get it broken down by class.

The other thing to remember is I don't always get what I ask for and even asking for some of this stuff can take weeks (if not months).



I wasn't taking a shot at you and the fact you managed to get any data at all is nice. And really good to know that you are trying to get more.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2090 - 2015-02-11 15:33:26 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:

I wasn't taking a shot at you and the fact you managed to get any data at all is nice. And really good to know that you are trying to get more.


I have more info the issue is I have to get it checked by a fair few people (couple in game design, CCP leeloo and then PR) for a couple reasons, firstly to make sure what i say is correct (CCP Fozzie was kind enough to not only check it but helped get me some more data to help clear some stuff up) and secondly to protect myself with the nda, once they ok it i'm totally fine to tell everyone. the down side is it takes a while and I didnt want to type everything up and them say no. hence its in small parts. Just waiting on PR to give the final go ahead for the next one.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2091 - 2015-02-11 22:00:46 UTC
NPC kills info http://corbexx.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/wormhole-report-2-npc-kills.html

yeah sucks I can't just post the graph. trust me would make my life way easier and sorry its probably hard to visualise and writing sucks.

tldr

NPC kill wise C1, C2, C4 and C5 doing really well C3 doing ok and C6 have dropped a bit. I don't have info on total data relic sites run in C1 to C3 but over all way more people are in space doing **** for others to come kill them.

Before people say all the NPC kill increase in C5 are farmers while some of the increase is from sleeper guardains (cap escalations) most is from other sleepers, so not just farmers.
Jack Miton
Perkone
Caldari State
#2092 - 2015-02-11 22:27:25 UTC
Are those POS numbers online or all POSs? Cos there's a difference.

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corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2093 - 2015-02-11 23:10:20 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Are those POS numbers online or all POSs? Cos there's a difference.
I'm asking they haven't got back to me. as its analytic's i have to go through people I can't just message them on skype like everyone else.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#2094 - 2015-02-12 00:25:34 UTC
My feeling from C1 to C4 space, and considering I have about 2500 POS bookmarks in about 2,000 systems by now, is that there's a lot of churn (I am deleting a fair few defunct BM's), but active POS's are slightly increasing. This is good because not only is there the requisite 1 POS per system, there's now more and more systems with 2+ active sticks.

There's also, I would say, a slight increase in the number of dead sticks due to placement of blocking towers in more and more holes.

oddly, the Christmas Pinata Season (ie, holiday defuelling season) was delayed to early Feb this year for some reason. No Christmas loot fairy, but it occurred end of January.

When Phoebe dropped there was a definite exodus and maybe 30% of C2's suddenly became empty. Now there's no longer very many, maybe 2-5%, mostly the E545-N062's and some of the lowsec C2's. most U210 C3's are full again.

Part of this exodus was the table flip factor. Part was people switching their holes to adjust to the new meta with C4's. But the disruption is definitely over.
Nolak Ataru
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2095 - 2015-04-12 20:17:11 UTC
Bump. Tinukeda'ya Naskingar so far owes me a G-Vexor. Anyone else want to make a wager?
motie one
Secret Passage
#2096 - 2015-05-24 22:44:48 UTC
Wow, thought this thread was long dead, clearly not.

The mass spawn change was bad when brought in, is still bad, and had precisely the effect that the players predicted.

Who could guess?Roll

Any good that happened in hyperion, was purely in spite of this change.

Any chance of it ever getting returned to a common sense mechanic?
Alundil
Rolled Out
#2097 - 2015-05-24 22:52:01 UTC
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Bump. Tinukeda'ya Naskingar so far owes me a G-Vexor. Anyone else want to make a wager?

Good grief - "calling in a gambling debt" looong after everyone stopped caring and on a wager never accepted.

lol

For a necro.....I'll allow it

;)

I'm right behind you

Omega Flames
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2098 - 2015-08-19 22:13:52 UTC
over a year later and this is still relevant and still wanting to be removed by plenty of those still living in wh space.
calaretu
Honestly We didnt know
Riddle us this
#2099 - 2015-08-20 04:27:29 UTC  |  Edited by: calaretu
Omega Flames wrote:
over a year later and this is still relevant and still wanting to be removed by plenty of those still living in wh space.


Wrong. Still a good change that has opened up the viabilaty of ship setups beyond the old t3-only.

Pls let this thread die in peace. It is so tired and wish to just be left alone by itself in a dark corner.
GizzyBoy
Aperture Harmonics
#2100 - 2015-08-20 06:06:58 UTC
I've almost forgotten it was a thing.

Still killed more than we lost and got fights when prior there wouldn't have been any.