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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3901 - 2014-09-03 18:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
entivize?[/quote]So to zero extent then. And yes, that is a kind of conduct that is being explicitly allowed and marketed by CCP.

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For example, is it reasonable that people with -10 sec status can continue their spree of ganking in highsec, with no other contributions to the game in between to raise their security status?
Very obviously yes. Otherwise, they would not have been allowed to to so and CCP would not have put in the effort to make sure that this can happen.
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Thankfully CCP is constantly deciding how to change and improve the game, it isn't static. And that's why we have these forums, so we can provide our opinion on the current happenings, and suggest improvements.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3902 - 2014-09-03 18:08:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
[Lolz....you do so prove entertainment here
So you agree then, since you can't actually offer any proof to the contrary.

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I said no such thing.
Yes you did. Explicitly and on numerous occasions, here and elsewhere.
You have already proven this, and you can't take it back.

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I help new players
No you don't. You grief them by actively ruining their chances to learn EVE.
You have already proven this and you can't take it back.

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Check their website, its all about tears. Check their treasury, its all about losing isk.
…except that their treasure prove you wrong and you have no other proof to support your lie.
Again, you keep claiming that there is no profit. Prove it.

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Thankfully CCP is constantly decided how to change and improve the game, it isn't static.
This part of the game is, because they explicitly have said that it is supposed to work that way. Every time you ask them, they give the same answer. And no-one has ever offered even the remotest hint of anything resembling a reason why it should change.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3903 - 2014-09-03 18:10:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:


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I said no such thing.
Yes you did. Explicitly and on numerous occasions, here and elsewhere.

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I help new players
No you don't. You grief them by actively ruining their chances to learn EVE.

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Check their website, its all about tears. Check their treasury, its all about losing isk.
…except that their treasure prove you wrong and you have no other proof to support your lie.

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Thankfully CCP is constantly decided how to change and improve the game, it isn't static.
This part of the game is, because they explicitly have said that it is supposed to work that way. Every time you ask them, they give the same answer.


I think I've made my position on suicide ganking pretty darn clear. Feel free to read what I actually wrote instead of addressing what you would like me to write.

The rest of your comments are....odd....and I don't have a response at this time.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3904 - 2014-09-03 18:12:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm actually quite confident that I am far better at this game than you are.
Oh god make it stop, won't someone please make it stop?

The contents of your own posts makes this a blatant lie, you fail to understand game mechanics, pretty much everything you post is incorrect.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#3905 - 2014-09-03 18:13:20 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:


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I said no such thing.
Yes you did. Explicitly and on numerous occasions, here and elsewhere.

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I help new players
No you don't. You grief them by actively ruining their chances to learn EVE.


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Thankfully CCP is constantly decided how to change and improve the game, it isn't static.
This part of the game is, because they explicitly have said that it is supposed to work that way. Every time you ask them, they give the same answer.


I think I've made my position on suicide ganking pretty darn clear. Feel free to read what I actually wrote instead of addressing what you would like me to write.

The rest of your comments are....odd....and I don't have a response at this time.



Tippia needs to be provided with proof that the sky is blue so I would say you are doing a pretty good job since nobody seems capable of continuing to debate you in a meaningful way. Smile
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3906 - 2014-09-03 18:15:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
I think I've made my position on suicide ganking pretty darn clear.
No, because you are a liar. Nothing you say can ever be trusted. Nothing you say seems to ever be true, and most of the time, the exact opposite of what you said turns out to be (or just very obviously is) the case.

This is why you need to provide proof. Because without it, every word that comes out of you is 100% worthless and irrelevant.

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The rest of your comments are....odd....and I don't have a response at this time.
No. The rest of my comment (like the first part) is true. That's why it strikes you as odd: it is not something you are familiar with. That is also why you are incapable of responding to it — because it would just be more, very blatant and obvious lies on your part.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3907 - 2014-09-03 18:17:04 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:



Tippia needs to be provided with proof that the sky is blue so I would say you are doing a pretty good job since nobody seems capable of continuing to debate you in a meaningful way. Smile


patience is always the key...obviously someone who was the #4 contributor to CODE last month is probably not of the persuadable variety, but the points should be made, regardless, for the benefit of other players and CCP.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3908 - 2014-09-03 18:17:47 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:


Tippia needs to be provided with proof that the sky is blue so I would say you are doing a pretty good job since nobody seems capable of continuing to debate you in a meaningful way. Smile

the sky isnt actually blue though

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3909 - 2014-09-03 18:17:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I think I've made my position on suicide ganking pretty darn clear.
No, because you are a liar. Nothing you say can ever be trusted. Nothing you say seems to ever be true, and most of the time, the exact opposite of what you said turns out to be (or just very obviously is) the case.

This is why you need to prove proof. Because without it, every word that comes out of you is 100% worthless and irrelevant.

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The rest of your comments are....odd....and I don't have a response at this time.
No. The rest of my comment (like the first part) is true. That's why it strikes you as odd: it is not something you are familiar with. That is also why you are incapable of responding to it — because it would just be more, very blatant and obvious lies on your part.


To prove proof? Even I can't do that!
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3910 - 2014-09-03 18:19:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I think I've made my position on suicide ganking pretty darn clear.
No, because you are a liar. Nothing you say can ever be trusted. Nothing you say seems to ever be true, and most of the time, the exact opposite of what you said turns out to be (or just very obviously is) the case.

This is why you need to prove proof. Because without it, every word that comes out of you is 100% worthless and irrelevant.

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The rest of your comments are....odd....and I don't have a response at this time.
No. The rest of my comment (like the first part) is true. That's why it strikes you as odd: it is not something you are familiar with. That is also why you are incapable of responding to it — because it would just be more, very blatant and obvious lies on your part.


No, I've explicitly laid out my position. Suicide ganking is an important part of the game, and should be retained. CCP should adjust incentives so that it occurs more when +EV, and less when -EV. That is hardly "lying" or "opposing suicide ganking." Keep it real Tippia.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3911 - 2014-09-03 18:19:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
To prove proof? Even I can't do that!
Because guessing “provide” before I corrected it is sooooooo hard. Roll

Liar.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3912 - 2014-09-03 18:20:10 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
To prove proof? Even I can't do that!


Glad you're willing to admit that all your various claims are lies.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3913 - 2014-09-03 18:20:54 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, I've explicitly laid out my position.
…and then contradicted it. So you were lying. You can't even prove your own stance.

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CCP should adjust incentives so that it occurs more when +EV, and less when -EV.
This is already the case, liar, so why should they adjust the incentives?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3914 - 2014-09-03 18:23:09 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, I've explicitly laid out my position.
…and then contradicted it. So you were lying. You can't even prove your own stance.

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CCP should adjust incentives so that it occurs more when +EV, and less when -EV.
This is already the case, liar, so why should they adjust the incentives?


Did not contradict my own stance. Calling me a liar many times in a row just makes you look....sad. I know you are capable of better, Tippia, this isn't even on the Goon level, this is like down to Waffes level. Please re-read what I wrote.

No, CODE is institutionalizing -EV ganks, which was the entire topic of the thread? Did you even bother reading the eloquent post from the OP?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3915 - 2014-09-03 18:23:56 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
To prove proof? Even I can't do that!


Glad you're willing to admit that all your various claims are lies.


Proving proof is by definition impossible. How do you prove that there is such a thing as proof?
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#3916 - 2014-09-03 18:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, I've explicitly laid out my position.
…and then contradicted it. So you were lying. You can't even prove your own stance.

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CCP should adjust incentives so that it occurs more when +EV, and less when -EV.
This is already the case, liar, so why should they adjust the incentives?


When I read this I seriously thought of a little girl screaming "liar" when told santa claus isn't real.


Thanks for the laughs. Haven't you embarassed yourself enough tippia?

Veers proved you wrong so many times and yet you still keep asking for proof. Why am i not surprised. Roll
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3917 - 2014-09-03 18:26:44 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, I've explicitly laid out my position.
…and then contradicted it. So you were lying. You can't even prove your own stance.

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CCP should adjust incentives so that it occurs more when +EV, and less when -EV.
This is already the case, liar, so why should they adjust the incentives?


When I read this I seriously thought of a little girl screaming "liar" when told santa claus isn't real.


Thanks for the laughs.


I know, the entertainment level from Tippia is truly epic :) She is by far my favorite forum poster.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3918 - 2014-09-03 18:27:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
Did not contradict my own stance.
Yes you did, liar. First you were against ganking, then you were for it, then you were for it with condition (which means you're against it).

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No, CODE is institutionalizing -EV ganks
…except that you can't prove that they're not profiting from them, so that's quite a lie as well. And it doesn't change the fact that the incentives are already what you claim you want them to be (but then again, with your track record, this is probably a lie…). So why should they adjust the incentives?

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How do you prove that there is such a thing as proof?
Ask Popper. Or al-Haytham.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3919 - 2014-09-03 18:30:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, I've explicitly laid out my position.
…and then contradicted it. So you were lying. You can't even prove your own stance.

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CCP should adjust incentives so that it occurs more when +EV, and less when -EV.
This is already the case, liar, so why should they adjust the incentives?


When I read this I seriously thought of a little girl screaming "liar" when told santa claus isn't real.


Thanks for the laughs.


I know, the entertainment level from Tippia is truly epic :) She is by far my favorite forum poster.


It's like watching a pair of pigeons strut their stuff after shitting all over something no one cares about and pretending they've won something.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3920 - 2014-09-03 18:32:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Did not contradict my own stance.
Yes you did, liar. First you were against ganking, then you were for it, then you were for it with condition (which means you're against it).

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No, CODE is institutionalizing -EV ganks
…except that you can't prove that they're not profiting from them, so that's quite a lie as well. And it doesn't change the fact that the incentives are already what you claim you want them to be. So why should they adjust the incentives?


I was never opposed to all suicide ganking, I think highsec would be boring without out. As a noob i used to delight in this player's epic ganks. https://zkillboard.com/character/94217100/ Now there is a businessman. Personally I don't gank because it hurts people and makes them quit the game, and I prefer to help people than make them cry. And thinking that incentives should be altered to make there more +EV ganking and less -EV ganking does not mean that I am against ganking. Come on Tippia, step up your game - this is the big leagues.

And CODE is bleeding money like a beast, look at their bank account. I provided ways to incentivize high value kills - mainly forcing -10 sec status players to grind up sec status before they can gank again.