Science & Industry

You could run massive goon mining ops to clear constelations of ore. But then you would be in danger of creating content.

Yeah, of course the players are at fault here! Dumb players, why did they invent supers and titans, players should never have been allowed to implement them into Eve!!!

Seriously, if supers and titans were actually balanced instead of "the one with the most wins automatically", this problem wouldn't exist.

So what ? Lay the blame where it belongs, in Null, with all those who bitched to CCP that they couldn't make ISK on high ends.

So the amounts in ores were changed, and the market got *FLOODED*.

Funny that.

The effing forum keeps eating my posts.
Its fairly simple, your math doesnt add up, since you're already mining, but still refuse to give us some numbers, make a vid, that will proof once forall how wrong we are.
The valuable ores in the regular nullsec belts are very few and pretty small, and an entire mining fleet wouldnt need hours to clean them in an average system. Ofc if you would acually mine in nullsec you would know that.
Just like you would know that mining smaller rocks always have a little wasted time, no matter how good you are at using the survey scanner. Its impossible to time it perfectly, and even if you could, restarting your mining lasers also makes you lose a few seconds. If you actually did some mining as you claim you do, you would've known this.

I am expanding on my previous post in this thread.

The high end ores plummeting in price is because of the increased relative supply of high end minerals compared to low end minerals from high sec. Coupled with reduced demand, the price continues to fall on high end minerals.

This is not a problem with just compression- yes, that is an issue- but the change in relative supply is most impacted by the changes to refining in both high sec and null. Null stations get a huge (20%) realized bonus to refining output as opposed to high sec. The ores in nullsec are "top heavy" - meaning higher distribution of high end minerals. Because people are continuing to mine and refine in null, they are producing high end minerals much faster than high sec can produce low end minerals. High sec miners not compressing their ore is compounding this problem, because their ore loses 20% of its mineral value when refined in high sec.

I've made a post in F&I on how to somewhat fix this issue, as well as Querns' post in the S&I forum on compression.

Saying "leave it as it is because I'm making a profit and this is the best change ever made to Eve" is not a valid argument. It is not reasonable for all of nullsec to be fed by a spergy clickfest of 12+ freighter alts with titan support.

Edit: This is even further compounded when taking into consideration rorqual boosts vs orca boosts in high sec. If you have an equal number of equally skilled players mining in Null and High Sec, the high end minerals will be supplied at a much higher rate than the low end minerals (compared to their demand from t1 production).

Here's an idea to shake things up - remove the zonal restrictions on ore. Any ore can spawn in any system. But here's the thing: no more fixed asteroid belts. Nowhere in eve. Instead, they'd all be anoms and spawn at random places in the system with random ore compositions. (But proportional -- Veld would spawn far more often and in bigger roids than Ark, for example.) The separation of ores may have made sense once upon a time when nullsec was dangerous and logistics were nightmarish, but now that we have the big blue donut and jump freighters to get stuff to Jita with minimal fuss, the ore distribution makes no sense at all.

The addition of compression arrays was a welcome change, but limiting them to POS's limits their utility. Running a POS just for compression services isn't cost-effective. (Mobile compression array, CCP? Plz? Compressing ore on the spot in the belt would be the absolute ****, and I wouldn't need to put a Rorqual at risk to do it.)

Mining is a broken mechanic and the best thing to do would be to scrap it and make it a passive gathering mechanic like PI, but I doubt that's ever going to happen.

I think one of the strongest arguments in favor of the changes posted in this thread is the incredible weakness of the arguments raised by various npc alts, people bad at math, and people just generally mad at the goonswarm menace.

The market makes abundantly clear that the system is broken. Mining ore in 0.0 is the exclusive province of the (a) bad at math (b) idiots and (c) people who multibox so many miners they can't possibly rat with that many characters, and also cleared all of the ice spawns already.

There are a variety of ideas like "well, you could do something stupid, and if everyone in 0.0 also did those stupid things then things might change just a tiny bit". But remember, these are idiots who don't really understand that people are going to act in their own interests, and that the game should incentivize the proper behavior.

That Zyd is in the 400s means the system is broken, period. The reason the system is broken is ore anomolies, and those need to be fixed.

I lived in null exclusively for two years or more. Did the wormhole thing for a while too. I left because it's boring, not because it's dangerous. (Well, that and all the damned sov drama, but that's another thread entirely.)

Lowsec is more exciting, but it's hard to make ISK there. Hisec is where you go to make the ISKies. (And that makes sense lore-wise. Money follows safety and robust commerce.)

Better blow the dust off all those highsec mining fleets then.

They are too elite to mine those and envy all the highsec static belts and the riches that come from them.