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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3441 - 2014-09-02 12:08:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
RubyPorto wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
I just think destroyers have too much firepower only that. They are currently overpowered for their price and make this ganking situation require even less commitment. Had ccp not removed the rof nerf on destroyers probably... probably less people would be complaining. ... and more frigates would be fightign as well :P


They removed the ROF nerf at about the same time they removed insurance payouts*.

They have also since dramatically increased the potential EHP of the destroyer's gank targets.

In other words, it's more expensive to gank than ever before. Which suggests that the people saying "it should be more expensive to gank" will never be satisfied.


*To illustrate just how big a change the removal of insurance was, before Incursion, it was cheaper to lose a Battleship in a gank than it is to lose a T2 destroyer now.


Come on, don't bring facts into this.


lol

But isn't that always the case. People view the present in a vacuum rather than thinking about what led up to the current situation.

It's why we have all these 'ping pong' situations in life, something happens, someone goes "this needs to change", they change it, that leads to other consequences, then down the road the next guy dealing with those consequences goes "this needs to change". So he changes it, recreating the original problem that needed changing in the 1st place lol.

I just blew my own mind typing that. Anyone got any fix-a-flat or nanite repair paste?
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3442 - 2014-09-02 12:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Veers Belvar wrote:
Where did I ask for CONCORD to be prophylactic?
I'm still trying to get my head around this question. Sense, it makes none, unless of course he meant prophetic or prescient.

With reference to Veers Belvar's continued success at making himself look like an ignorant tool, the following quote seems to be appropriate.
General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett VC DSO wrote:
If nothing else works, then a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3443 - 2014-09-02 12:20:01 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Where did I ask for CONCORD to be prophylactic?
I'm still trying to get my head around this question. Sense, it makes none, unless of course he meant prophetic or prescient.


Prophylaxis can refer to any type of preventative or protective thing.

For example, prophylactic anti-retrovirals are given to medical workers on exposure to suspected HIV+ blood.

But I'm going to imagine that he wants CONCORD to put the target's ship in a big, stretchy, protective balloon. Lubricated for quick warping, of course.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3444 - 2014-09-02 12:23:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
RubyPorto wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Where did I ask for CONCORD to be prophylactic?
I'm still trying to get my head around this question. Sense, it makes none, unless of course he meant prophetic or prescient.


Prophylaxis can refer to any type of preventative or protective thing.

For example, prophylactic anti-retrovirals are given to medical workers on exposure to suspected HIV+ blood.

But I'm going to imagine that he wants CONCORD to put the target's ship in a big, stretchy, protective balloon. Lubricated for quick warping, of course.
Thanks for the explanation, I was unaware of the medical use of the word.

I too choose to follow your line of thought, would that balloon be ribbed for pleasure?

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3445 - 2014-09-02 12:34:04 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Thanks for the explanation, I was unaware of the medical use of the word.

I too choose to follow your line of thought, would that balloon be ribbed for pleasure?


I'm not sure. But it would have to be red, because red go fasta

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3446 - 2014-09-02 12:35:46 UTC
^^ Defintitely red.

Although some prophylactics are designed to slow you down for a reason.....

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Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3447 - 2014-09-02 12:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Six Beavers
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
False accusations of lying?
No. You were lying, remember? You said that you were familiar with the mechanics, and then you proved that you weren't. So you were lying about that.
You also kept saying that bumping is equivalent to a warp scrambler, when it isn't and had long since been demonstrated to you that it wasn't. So you were lying about that too.

Quote:
Attempting (and failing) to mock linguistics skills?
No. Pointing out that you were wilfully misrepresenting (aka lying) about what CCP Falcon had said.

Quote:
I also note that you were the #4 contributor to CODE in August, Conflict of interest much?
Not really, no.


Yawn....if bumping makes you unable to warp off...it is functionally equivalent to a warp scrambler. And quoting CCP Falcon can't really by "lying" about what he said.


yawn.... 30-40 pages of this thread and you still don't understand that bumping does not equal warp scram.
Six Beavers
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3448 - 2014-09-02 12:45:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I can absolutely confirm that it's Fabulous Rod now. He spun that same Darkfall story in the Rattlesnake thread.

Looks like his attitude hasn't improved any, either. Still expecting the game to cater to his maladjusted expectations, instead of adjusting himself to the reality of the game. And lashing out at anyone who cares to correct him, to boot.




If only he had Fabulous Hair instead of a fabulous rod he might be going somewhere
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3449 - 2014-09-02 12:47:54 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
^^ Defintitely red.

Although some prophylactics are designed to slow you down for a reason.....


Maybe if we work together, we can conceive a reason.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Devils Embrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3450 - 2014-09-02 12:52:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
figuring out how to punish people with -10 sec status
F1


Blowing up empty pods post-gank is not useful. And shooting at them lets them shoot back at you in gank fitted ships, often a swarm of them.


Pods are like a box of chocolate, you never know whats inside till you open it. could be empty, could be 3 billion in implants. Only one way to find out....

It's like they usually say about fantasy MMO's and men playing female characters: "If I'm going to spend alot of time watching this character, it might as well have a good looking ass".
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#3451 - 2014-09-02 12:56:22 UTC
I have to give props to those who have ever so patiently embraced the voice of reason in this thread.
I just don't have the patience anymore to be honest. Every time I engage someone who's unwilling to heed reason/facts/reality I just can't help but escalating to the point where I want to re-enact the horsetrough scene from 'A Clockwork Orange'.
So yeah, +1 to all of you.

On the other hand, some people you just can't reach... dammit, now I need to rewatch 'Cool Hand Luke'

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3452 - 2014-09-02 13:02:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
^^ Defintitely red.

Although some prophylactics are designed to slow you down for a reason.....


Maybe if we work together, we can conceive a reason.
A Trojan horse should be used for every conceivable occasion

Terrible condom puns, still more content than what'isnames posts.

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Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#3453 - 2014-09-02 13:07:12 UTC
Still a better love story than Twilight.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3454 - 2014-09-02 13:13:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Devils Embrace wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
figuring out how to punish people with -10 sec status
F1


Blowing up empty pods post-gank is not useful. And shooting at them lets them shoot back at you in gank fitted ships, often a swarm of them.


Pods are like a box of chocolate, you never know whats inside till you open it. could be empty, could be 3 billion in implants. Only one way to find out....


As an interesting twist, if you go through my KB back to an Iteron V with cloak and WCS and a pod from the same pilot, that guy was AFK on the sun. Interesting story, he was a suicide ganker's looting alt, and I saw him come through a gate, and tried to catch him with a long point in a Heretic I was in at the time heading to something else. He slipped out of my point, only to warp straight towards the sun.

I landed on the sun, overshooting him by 10km, so I approached and attempted to lock... only to have him cloak. I expected to decloak him just as he was aligned for warp, but he was just sitting there, so I proceeded to point and explode him, completely unaware that he had WCS.

Then, when he exploded, and I moved in to check out the loot, if any, ignoring his pod fully expecting it to just instawarp, as they so often do... but it didn't. I'd finished looting the little he had, and noticed the pod had gone nowhere. I locked it, pointed it, and killed it. Only explanation I can think of is, the guy either didn't see me attempt to grab him at the gate, warped to sun and cloaked without seeing me, then went afk thinking he was safe - or it was a bot. The latter makes more sense in this case, tbh, if you were there witnessing some of his more nuanced oddities. The main indicators of his afk'ness though were the fact that he never warped, even with WCS, and even in his pod.

But, that's not the point. The point is, he was flying an Itty V with a full Crystal set. Who flies Itty V with a crystal set, and on that note, who the **** goes afk with a crystal set? I lol'd all day long.

**** it, linking both for posterity. Itty and pod.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3455 - 2014-09-02 13:25:22 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
But, that's not the point. The point is, he was flying an Itty V with a full Crystal set. Who flies Itty V with a crystal set, and on that note, who the **** goes afk with a crystal set? I lol'd all day long.


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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3456 - 2014-09-02 13:30:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
RubyPorto wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
But, that's not the point. The point is, he was flying an Itty V with a full Crystal set. Who flies Itty V with a crystal set, and on that note, who the **** goes afk with a crystal set? I lol'd all day long.


[Tayra, Crystal Badger of my Heart]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Power Diagnostic System II
Power Diagnostic System II

Medium Shield Booster II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I
Warp Scrambler II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


High-grade Crystal Alpha
High-grade Crystal Beta
High-grade Crystal Gamma
High-grade Crystal Delta
High-grade Crystal Epsilon
High-grade Crystal Omega


So.... do you actually fly this?Twisted

To be honest though, this is a battlebadger for undock duels, amiright? Crystals are acceptable in this.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3457 - 2014-09-02 13:35:30 UTC  |  Edited by: RubyPorto
Remiel Pollard wrote:
So.... do you actually fly this?Twisted

To be honest though, this is a battlebadger for undock duels, amiright? Crystals are acceptable in this.


I had a Battlebadger before they nerfed the name (and slot layout). I think now the only viable battle indy is the Itty V.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3458 - 2014-09-02 13:41:56 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
So.... do you actually fly this?Twisted

To be honest though, this is a battlebadger for undock duels, amiright? Crystals are acceptable in this.


I had a Battlebadger before they nerfed the name (and slot layout). I think now the only viable battle indy is the Itty V.

[Iteron Mark V, Never not Crystals]

Small Armor Repairer II
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Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Federation Navy Antimatter Charge S
Small Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Nanobot Accelerator II


Nope.

The Nereus can also be quite effective. I saw one take down a battleship in Amarr a few weeks ago but for the life of me can't remember who it was, or the specifics of the KM. I know that particular one was fit with neuts though, and I've seen a few other Nereus' fit for PVP and they can be pretty vicious, especially with the drones.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3459 - 2014-09-02 13:43:38 UTC
You know a good idea was raised in this thread, somewhere in the mishmash of shiptoasting and good points, that might change the game in interesting ways.

What if you had to call CONCORD?

Example scenario:


  1. A miner is sitting in a belt - a Catalyst warps in and begins DPSing him illegally.
  2. The CONCORD timer starts, appropriate to the CONCORD response time of that system (let's say 30 seconds).
  3. The miner gets a pop-up: "Send distress signal? Y/N" with the timer counting down from 30. During this time the Catalysts warp engines are disabled.
  4. The miner now has the option - Y, in which case CONCORD almost immediately spawns, or N, in which case CONCORD doesn't apply.
  5. If the timer counts to 0 with no response, or if the target shoots back, CONCORD doesn't apply, and the Catalysts warp engines go back online.
  6. If the target dies before a response or 0 timer, warp engines go back online. If, however, the Catalyst pilot pods the target before 0 timer, CONCORD issues a mandated response, killing the Catalyst.
  7. If no CONCORD, the Catalyst pilot takes a sec hit, and goes criminal, but can dock up after.


This would really punish AFKness in space and make criminal activities more interesting. It would make HiSec a more "seat of your pants" experience but without nerfing CONCORD into uselessness.

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Devils Embrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3460 - 2014-09-02 13:46:40 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
You know a good idea was raised in this thread, somewhere in the mishmash of shiptoasting and good points, that might change the game in interesting ways.

What if you had to call CONCORD?

Example scenario:


  1. A miner is sitting in a belt - a Catalyst warps in and begins DPSing him illegally.
  2. The CONCORD timer starts, appropriate to the CONCORD response time of that system (let's say 30 seconds).
  3. The miner gets a pop-up: "Send distress signal? Y/N" with the timer counting down from 30. During this time the Catalysts warp engines are disabled.
  4. The miner now has the option - Y, in which case CONCORD almost immediately spawns, or N, in which case CONCORD doesn't apply.
  5. If the timer counts to 0 with no response, or if the target shoots back, CONCORD doesn't apply, and the Catalysts warp engines go back online.
  6. If the target dies before a response or 0 timer, warp engines go back online. If, however, the Catalyst pilot pods the target before 0 timer, CONCORD issues a mandated response, killing the Catalyst.
  7. If no CONCORD, the Catalyst pilot takes a sec hit, and goes criminal, but can dock up after.


This would really punish AFKness in space and make criminal activities more interesting. It would make HiSec a more "seat of your pants" experience but without nerfing CONCORD into uselessness.


GTFO this idea is the same as veers half-baked schemes. Play the game everyone else is playing or quit

It's like they usually say about fantasy MMO's and men playing female characters: "If I'm going to spend alot of time watching this character, it might as well have a good looking ass".