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IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 1,332	#3401 - 2014-09-02 05:48:30 UTC Veers Belvar wrote: I'm just not seeing it guys, and it really is a question for CCP. Oh it's clear you're not seeing it. CCP already said what they had to say on this matter. You're just not happy with what that was so you want something different. Not going to happen so sorry

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#3402 - 2014-09-02 05:49:05 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

I'm just not seeing it guys, and it really is a question for CCP. Whether an optimally piloted freighter can always manage to warp off during 15 minutes of bumping by 3 optimally fitted and piloted Machariels. I really don't think the answer is "yes." I can't fathom that so many freighter pilots would be so stupid as to miss a trivial way of avoiding the bumping and saving their ship. I think it's a whole lot tougher to do than you are claiming.

Again, why should a solo pilot be able to escape the efforts of three pilots specifically fit and flown to stop him?

They have a good shot at escaping a single mach and with help (webber or interceptor) can escape a large number of machs. The reason for this is the way warping works, which bumping doesn't stop. If you are moving in the direction of your warp target at better than 75% of your speed, you will immediately enter warp. Doesn't matter why you're moving that direction.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Devils Embrace

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#3403 - 2014-09-02 05:49:56 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

Tippia wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

That stupid? In 15 mins of being bumped they couldn't muster the basic competence to click on a nearby celestial and press "warp to."

You're finally getting it.
Do you understand how why your “experience” was disqualified as pretty much worthless and irrelevant to the discussion?

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And anyhow I tried telling an Orca pilot to do it in Uedama, and he said he kept trying but the bumping made it impossible, so I don't think that is foolproof at all.

What happened is that you met the proverbial bigger fool.

When they bump you, aim for the nearest celestial in the direction you are traveling. Problem solved. If they bump you away from any celestial, you Sir are SOL

It's like they usually say about fantasy MMO's and men playing female characters: "If I'm going to spend alot of time watching this character, it might as well have a good looking ass".

Veers Belvar

Swordmasters of New Eden

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#3404 - 2014-09-02 05:50:21 UTC

IIshira wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

I'm just not seeing it guys, and it really is a question for CCP.

Oh it's clear you're not seeing it.

CCP already said what they had to say on this matter. You're just not happy with what that was so you want something different. Not going to happen so sorry

CCP never answered this question...and they are constantly analyzing the situation to investigate altering game mechanics. I am confident that CODE's campaign of destruction will draw a response from CCP, especially in regards to disincentivizing the ganking of empty freighters.

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#3405 - 2014-09-02 05:50:28 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Veers Belvar wrote:

And again from you...merely asserting that X is true, without proving it, and with significant evidence to the contrary, does not make it true.

No, but the ample evidence provided to you proves it. If, after all that, and after having every detailed you got wrong explained to you, you still refuse to think that things work the way they work, then that's not a problem that can be fixed by changing the game.

The only solution to you not believing in reality is for you to start believing in reality.

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CCP never answered this question

Yes they did. They answered it long before you even asked. The answer was provided to you. You refused to believe in it, apparently because you don't think people can be that stupid.

I have bad news for you on that font…

Veers Belvar

Swordmasters of New Eden

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#3406 - 2014-09-02 05:51:14 UTC

Devils Embrace wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

Tippia wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

That stupid? In 15 mins of being bumped they couldn't muster the basic competence to click on a nearby celestial and press "warp to."

You're finally getting it.
Do you understand how why your “experience” was disqualified as pretty much worthless and irrelevant to the discussion?

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And anyhow I tried telling an Orca pilot to do it in Uedama, and he said he kept trying but the bumping made it impossible, so I don't think that is foolproof at all.

What happened is that you met the proverbial bigger fool.

When they bump you, aim for the nearest celestial in the direction you are traveling. Problem solved. If they bump you away from any celestial, you Sir are SOL

EXACTLY. If the bumpers are competent, and bump you away from celestials, like I assume they do in Uedama, you are SOL. Which is exactly as I suspected. Thank you for clearing this up.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#3407 - 2014-09-02 05:51:38 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

I can't fathom that so many freighter pilots would be so stupid as to miss a trivial way of avoiding the bumping and saving their ship. I think it's a whole lot tougher to do than you are claiming.

I can, easily. It's called entitlement.

They think they shouldn't have to, so they don't. All of these people who die in highsec are not ignorant of everything, they get along thinking "it won't happen to me", until one day it does. Hence why they cry about it.

The sad part is that the way the rules work for PvP in highsec, that if they do think "it won't happen to me", they have a good chance of being right about that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Veers Belvar

Swordmasters of New Eden

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#3408 - 2014-09-02 05:52:19 UTC

RubyPorto wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

Why should a single pilot be able to escape the efforts of three pilots specifically fit and flown to warp scramble him? And still CONCORD comes and blows them up, ending the scrambling.

RubyPorto

RubysRhymes

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#3409 - 2014-09-02 05:52:55 UTC | Edited by: RubyPorto

Veers Belvar wrote:

EXACTLY. If the bumpers are competent, and bump you away from celestials, like I assume they do in Uedama, you are SOL. Which is exactly as I suspected. Thank you for clearing this up.

Then be competent yourself and either have bookmarks prepared or have a friend burn you a warpout in an interceptor.

This is a multiplayer game. They brought friends, you can too.

Veers Belvar wrote:

Why should a single pilot be able to escape the efforts of three pilots specifically fit and flown to warp scramble him? And still CONCORD comes and blows them up, ending the scrambling.

CONCORD punishes aggressive actions in HS and Scrambling is an aggressive action.
Whether you escape or not is irrelevant.

IIshira

School of Applied Knowledge

Caldari State

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#3410 - 2014-09-02 05:53:22 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

IIshira wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

I'm just not seeing it guys, and it really is a question for CCP.

Oh it's clear you're not seeing it.

CCP already said what they had to say on this matter. You're just not happy with what that was so you want something different. Not going to happen so sorry

Yes keep waiting for CCP to save highsec from PVP... I wish you luck with that.


Veers Belvar Swordmasters of New Eden Likes received: 601	#3411 - 2014-09-02 05:55:15 UTC Well, settled them, competent bumpers can push you away from celestials, rendering it impossible for you to warp out on your own. Next topic....

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#3412 - 2014-09-02 05:55:53 UTC | Edited by: Tippia

Veers Belvar wrote:

Why should a single pilot be able to escape the efforts of three pilots specifically fit and flown to warp scramble him?

He can't.

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EXACTLY. If the bumpers are competent, and bump you away from celestials, like I assume they do in Uedama, you are SOL.

No. It's still possible to escape. If the bumpers are competent and co-ordinated, it just takes a bit more effort and co-oridnation.

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Well, settled them, competent bumpers can push you away from celestials, rendering it impossible for you to warp out on your own.

Too bad that it's not actually true and that your confirmation bias will not be satisfied.
You are still as wrong as you ever were, which is a pity because you were getting so close to finally understanding it.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#3413 - 2014-09-02 05:59:14 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

Well, settled them, competent bumpers can push you away from celestials, rendering it impossible for you to warp out on your own. Next topic....

False.

And you should not be on your own while flying a billion isk+ killmail with no guns.

CCP themselves have said that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Veers Belvar

Swordmasters of New Eden

Likes received: 601

#3414 - 2014-09-02 06:02:28 UTC

Well to me this is settled. And to tie this back to the OP (always important!), the combination of CODE killing empty freighters, and using bumping to give it multiple shots at better tanked ones, is a broken mechanic, and out of line with the risk/reward of highsec. I would suggest adopting my bumping change, figuring out how to punish people with -10 sec status, and incentivizing gankers to target ships with lots of loot (perhaps more loot should drop from a ship where cargo value >> hull value + mod value).

Tippia

Sunshine and Lollipops

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#3415 - 2014-09-02 06:05:13 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

Well to me this is settled.

So you've chosen to continue lying, is that it?
The facts haven't changed. You have just decided to pick an answer that aligns with your incorrect and ignorant view of how things works because you don't want to accept the simple fact that you were wrong about everything.

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And to tie this back to the OP (always important!), the combination of CODE killing empty freighters, and using bumping to give it multiple shots at better tanked ones, is a broken mechanic

What's broken about it?

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I would suggest adopting my bumping change, figuring out how to punish people with -10 sec status, and incentivizing gankers to target ships with lots of loot

Your bumping change is a bad idea; -10 people are already punished; and gankers are already incentivised to go after targets with lots of loot. So your suggestion is useless.

Kaarous Aldurald

Black Hydra Consortium.

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#3416 - 2014-09-02 06:05:41 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

CCP has already told you to go take a hike, and learn to bring friends and tank your ship, also that the NPCs will never be changed to do your job for you.

Falcon was pretty clear on that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

baltec1

Bat Country

Pandemic Horde

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#3417 - 2014-09-02 06:05:43 UTC

Veers Belvar wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

If they could just warp off to a celestial bumping would be pretty pointless, right? No one would do it. Obviously it is done in such a way that you want have time to align and reach the threshold speed to warp to a celestial.

People are stupid

That stupid? In 15 mins of being bumped they couldn't muster the basic competence to click on a nearby celestial and press "warp to." You really believe that? And anyhow I tried telling an Orca pilot to do it in Uedama, and he said he kept trying but the bumping made it impossible, so I don't think that is foolproof at all.

They stuff billions into untanked t1 haulrs. Yes they are that stupid.

Veers Belvar

Swordmasters of New Eden

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#3418 - 2014-09-02 06:09:46 UTC

baltec1 wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Veers Belvar wrote:

People are stupid

They stuff billions into untanked t1 haulrs. Yes they are that stupid.

Well, the Goons would know about that:) http://themittani.com/features/alod-go-back-wow?page=0%2C0

Azn Empire 21,366
Mag's Azn Empire Likes received: 21,366	#3419 - 2014-09-02 06:10:24 UTC 3 Veers Belvar wrote: figuring out how to punish people with -10 sec status F1 Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.