EVE General Discussion

TBH, I know the "11 years of nerfs" line is kind of a thing with gankers, but honestly there's been very few direct nerfs. Insurance payouts and The Boomerang are the two most obvious ones.

The vast majority of ganking nerfs have been indirect changes to other systems that impact ganking in a negative way.


In a way, insurance payouts ended up being a sort of buff to gankers overall. Back in the insurance days, people ganked to make ISK. As an ISK making venture, quality was valued over quantity, and it was pretty easy to float under the gank radar. No need for organization or any such on the ganker's side.

Once direct ISK profit got taken away, ganking needed to find an alternate revenue stream. Hence, the monetization of "tears". Can't tell who will end up being a good tear whale that generates humor (and results in donations), so...gank all the things.

I don't agree with Solecist on many things, but he's pretty much right. It's not the number of ganks happening, it's the way they're presented. Even if CODE were only ganking one freighter a month, there'd still be threads like this created.

Let's say that for arguments sake, the numbers have been increasing for the last 2 months. What does this actually mean and why should we care?

But I don't have your crack team of trained monkeys which collected all the data and put it into nice, easy to read spreadsheets and charts!

Firstly that's a <2% chance, by quite a large margin.
Secondly 10% is a conservative estimate, a minimum of 1800 freighter trips traversing the Uedama system in a 24 hour period is by no means far fetched, Redfrog and PushX probably rack most of that that up by themselves.

Uedama is a chokepoint on a major pipe between 3 major hubs, if you're using a freighter to get to to Jita from Dodixie or Rens/Hek, and vice versa, you pretty much have to go through it. It's why it's such a profitable place to gank.

You carry on doubting.

And just so that we're clear here, Admiral Roots figures are for the chance of dying in any ship, mine are for freighters only with a conservative estimate of freighter traffic accounting for 10% of all traffic through Uedama.

Others can probably give a much better estimate, which will probably show mine to be on the conservative side.

You're the one making spurious claims, it's up to you to provide your own evidence. All the data you need is publicly available.

I'm not the goons, I don't have 300 man hours for this project. The circumstantial evidence is overwhelming that CODE has caused a significant increase in freighter ganking in the last 2 months. The goons have the massaged data which can confirm or deny this. Why not release it for everyone to use?

The great thing about delusion is that it allows the delusional person to ignore uncomfortable reality. So while what you wrote might seem like objective reality to you and I, to 'others' it's just more proof that they are right in the convictions, why else would people be trying to tell them otherwise?

I knew a guy in college who was a follower of a certain dead german dude's political ideology , one which is unpopular in my country but very popular in an island nation to the south of mine (they are also in love with fatigue wearing cigar smoking dictators. He'd go on and on about 'the revolution' and the 'proletariot rising up'. Time and time again people would tell him "hey, we don't wan't that'.

One day in a class we had together I asked him "hey, you speak spanish and you like that crap, why not move to the country that does that and leave us alone Comrade D-bag?". His answer was that he was going to stand up for what's right "as long as there were people in this country being oppressed". Didn't matter that none of us felt the need for his particular brand of freedom.

As long as an ideologue can make the problem about the needs of somone else rather than their own particular wants, no amount of reason will stop them, even when the people they are trying to 'save' tell them to **** right off.

Regardless of whether its increasing or not(It seems to be), it is broken in terms of risk/reward/penalty, and the victims are primarily newer and casual players who are preyed upon due to the commonality of them being unfamiliar with concord response times.

It adds nothing to the game and is actually hurting it in addition to being and looking(bumping) ridiculous.

Same reason we don't give out our financial data to the public, its our data the we use in our own projects.

(1) In what way?

(2) Newer casual players driving 700m isk+ freighters? And they dont know how long it takses CONCORD to show up? Seems unlikely.