EVE General Discussion

Removal of suicide ganking would be good as it would force these risk averse players into doing actual pvp instead of preying on other players common lack of knowledge of concord response times.

More and more players are turning away from pvp everyday and becomming suicide gankers because its infinitely easier and more profitable and can be done within the relative comfort of high sec with no significant costs or penalties.

There is a good explanation why we are not "really affected" by the current consequences. It's what you said in your next sentence, well kinda, i will correct it:


We "use" the tools provided by the sandbox, there is no "abuse" going on here. Suicide ganking is a valid game mechanic and so are collisions between spaceships. Just because a group of players finds a way to use this tools in a certain way does not mean they are "abusing" the game mechanic. They are playing the game by the rules the game provides.


We are a group of players who use the tools of the sandbox and try new strategies to explode other peoples spaceships, for profit , power projection/control or just for fun. We chose an environment which is seen by a lot of players as safe, because they have a wrong concept of what highsec is, a PvP free area, which it isn't. It is a area with a certain kind of rules which was shifted over the years to benefit the careless player and even reinforce the feeling of safety.

The problem with highsec is not that we gank empty freighters, the problem is that CCP reinforced the protection so much that the players there actually feel save to AFK autopilot ships with a value of billions of ISK or even worse with cargo worth in tens of billions. The view of this people got so distorted that they actually think that the few tools left to kill such careless players are an abuse of game mechanics.

There are always people like you who come to this game ignorant about the history and the game mechanics who think their ideas are new and special. They are not, they have been discussed a hundred times and they where not better when they where brought to the table the first time.

Highsec game mechanics have been constantly nerfed for the last 11 years and everytime some guy claims this is the final nerf which will "fix" the game for them. And then the nerf get's implemented, we adopt and the tears start over with a new idea abut a small nerf that will "fix" the game.

I spelled it out many times before and I will do it again just for you. This is not about gankers v.s. carebears, this is about "people who care about game mechanics" v.s. "players who think this is a solo game with a safe zone".

Your strategy did not work for 11 years, there was always a guy like you. Adopt and play with the tools the sandbox provides or play a game which provides a setting you like better (try STO and embrace the boring and meaningless world you try to create in EVE). But just stop wasting everyones time with your unsound ideas and old arguments.

Thanks

You now fall back on the classic suicide ganker response - that any change to suicide ganking will remove player interaction from the game. In essence, the only options are suicide ganking or no suicide ganking, and therefore no changes need be considered. In fact, there are a tremendous number of ways the current mechanics could be tweaked to retain suicide ganking, but to tilt it towards the occasional gankers, and not the -10 sec status career criminal CODE empty freighter gankers. THAT is the point here, not too remove suicide ganking, but to make necessary adjustments to properly balance it in the game.

Some alarming stats for the past 24 hours:

Jita: 54,053 jumps / 506 ship kills / 0.94%
Niarja: 36,762 jumps / 101 ship kills / 0.28%
Uedama: 36,022 jumps / 79 ship kills / 0.22%

Totals: 126,837 jumps / 686 ship kills / 0.54%

A 0.54% chance of someone blowing up your ship for any reason including, but not limited to, suicide ganking in 3 key systems. Hold me, CCP Falcon, I'm scared!

I'm going to run with this

As of the time of this, Zkill is showing a grand total of 23 freighters/orcas dying universe wide since 00.00, 20 of which were in highsec.
Out of those 20, 4 are down to wars.

For yesterday Zkill is showing a total of 21 freighters/orcas dying universe wide, 14 of which are in highsec, 1 of which is down to a war.

I think I can safely say that freighter and orcas account for 10's if not 100's of thousands jumps per day. The odds of a freighter or an orca exploding are minuscule.

So (with the exception of the CODE KB, which only proves 1 thing; they sink ships) your evidence is third hand ancedotal evidence.

You are the one who is currently bringing the suppositions that 1) Ganking is going up and 2) This is bad for EvE

Therefore, it falls to you to provide hard evidence to back this and let it be peer reviewed.

Please.

The gankers don't target all ships equally....you would need to look at the conditional probability of your freighter being ganked in Uedama, which is probably higher than the number you gave.

I think this is also an important post, because real data would really help things here. Unfortunately I don't have the numbers, and I don't see any source for your numbers. It would help if CCP would be more open with this data. Would you be able to check if freighter ganking has inreased since CODE started their freighter gank campaign?