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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3041 - 2014-09-01 18:43:30 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
False accusations of lying?
No. You were lying, remember? You said that you were familiar with the mechanics, and then you proved that you weren't. So you were lying about that.
You also kept saying that bumping is equivalent to a warp scrambler, when it isn't and had long since been demonstrated to you that it wasn't. So you were lying about that too.

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Attempting (and failing) to mock linguistics skills?
No. Pointing out that you were wilfully misrepresenting (aka lying) about what CCP Falcon had said.

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I also note that you were the #4 contributor to CODE in August, Conflict of interest much?
Not really, no.


Yawn....if bumping makes you unable to warp off...it is functionally equivalent to a warp scrambler. And quoting CCP Falcon can't really by "lying" about what he said.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3042 - 2014-09-01 18:44:16 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Everyone who suggests that Veers is a New Order member or even a CODE. member gets completely removed from my Xmas presents list! And don't start to cry now, you knew it was a kick into the nuts when you wrote it!


Thanks you, at least some people value the truth. How are things in Abudban?
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#3043 - 2014-09-01 18:46:44 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Everyone who suggests that Veers is a New Order member or even a CODE. member gets completely removed from my Xmas presents list! And don't start to cry now, you knew it was a kick into the nuts when you wrote it!


Thanks you, at least some people value the truth. How are things in Abudban?

It was not a compliment...

Evil RatKid
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3044 - 2014-09-01 18:46:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
Yawn....if bumping makes you unable to warp off.
It doesn't. Nor does it shut down MWDs or MJDs.
Therefore, any claim that it is functionally equivalent to a warp scrambler is a lie.
Any subsequent claim that you are familiar with the game mechanics is therefore also a lie.

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And quoting CCP Falcon can't really by "lying" about what he said.
…but the subsequent misrepresentation (aka lie) about what he said can be and was.

Saying that you lie when you lie and saying that you wilfully twist the language when you wilfully twist the language is not abuse. It is just fact.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3045 - 2014-09-01 18:48:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Veers Belvar wrote:
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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3046 - 2014-09-01 18:50:17 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I am a major opponent of CODE, their #1 enemy, please check minerbumping.com, where I did a 2 hour TS session with them. Try to minimize the false accusations, thanks.

you've ascended to the vaunted ranks of such esteemed persons as capt lynch and that other guy i forgot

this might not be worth braggin about
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3047 - 2014-09-01 18:50:46 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:



Actually you have been throwing most of the abuse around here, once you were unable to logically contest my arguments. I have always tried to retain a civil discourse, without name calling. I'm happy to continue doing so, but your side needs to stop throwing around "moron" and "idiot' every second sentence.

there are no sides here. there's some people

and 'civil discourse' does not really include either ignoring people or calling them trolls when they disagree with you


Scroll back earlier in the thread and see who started accusing people of being trolls....just saying. And there are obviously strongly divergent viewpoints here. There are people like me (and the OP), who think that suicide ganking, in its current form, is a problem that needs to be fixed, and there are others (who like to call people names and accuse them of trolling) who think that the current manifestation of suicide ganking is great.


And here you're working from a false presumption - nobody is saying it's great. We're saying it's working as intended. Falcon said it's working as intended. The people that think it's a problem that needs to be fixed by someone else are wrong. They can mitigate their problems themselves. This has been established already. All it takes is effort. Their real problem is they don't want to make an effort, they just want to be lazy and ride the themepark rides. EVE is not for them, because EVE requires effort.

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Solecist Project
#3048 - 2014-09-01 18:52:04 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Everyone who suggests that Veers is a New Order member or even a CODE. member gets completely removed from my Xmas presents list! And don't start to cry now, you knew it was a kick into the nuts when you wrote it!

:(

I'm sorry. :(

*hugs* ?


But it makes him so seriously mad to write it ........................................

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#3049 - 2014-09-01 18:54:06 UTC
SERIOUSLY though ...


... considering that a CODE member came here to try and make sure we believe he is not a CODE alt ...


... well, I guess I nailed it! :D

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#3050 - 2014-09-01 18:54:36 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Solecist Project wrote:


But it makes him so seriously mad to write it ........................................


That is called projection. You somehow think it makes him mad because it would make you mad.

I don't think it makes him mad at all. I think it just amuses him and makes you look silly.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#3051 - 2014-09-01 18:59:32 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
SERIOUSLY though ...


... considering that a CODE member came here to try and make sure we believe he is not a CODE alt ...


... well, I guess I nailed it! :D

Ok, you are off the list EvilEvil

Evil RatKid
Solecist Project
#3052 - 2014-09-01 19:00:24 UTC
Except that it's not and the negative energy in his posts are clearly visible for anyone. (:

His obsessive behavior too, btw. :)

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Solecist Project
#3053 - 2014-09-01 19:02:39 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Ok, you are off the list EvilEvil

Sad

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3054 - 2014-09-01 19:04:20 UTC
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:


That is called projection. You somehow think it makes him mad because it would make you mad.

I don't think it makes him mad at all. I think it just amuses him and makes you look silly.



Dear parody poster of one of the forum regulars,

I find it ironic that with your name and your avatar design that you think you have a firm grasp on what "projection" is.


Did you have any arguments to make for the topic at hand?

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3055 - 2014-09-01 19:06:43 UTC
@ Sybil, the new avatar is hawt, me likey Big smile

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3056 - 2014-09-01 19:08:03 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Everyone who suggests that Veers is a New Order member or even a CODE. member gets completely removed from my Xmas presents list! And don't start to cry now, you knew it was a kick into the nuts when you wrote it!

:(

I'm sorry. :(

*hugs* ?


But it makes him so seriously mad to write it ........................................


All forgiven....doesn't make me mad...just inaccurate, I'm a major opponent, not an alt.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3057 - 2014-09-01 19:09:43 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Except that it's not and the negative energy in his posts are clearly visible for anyone. (:

His obsessive behavior too, btw. :)


Pointing out problems in the game mechanics and suggesting reasonable improvements is not "negative energy." The fact that a lot of professional gankers, or their alts, meet such with hysteria and abuse does not make me culpable for the "negative energy."
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3058 - 2014-09-01 19:12:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Yawn....if bumping makes you unable to warp off.
It doesn't. Nor does it shut down MWDs or MJDs.
Therefore, any claim that it is functionally equivalent to a warp scrambler is a lie.
Any subsequent claim that you are familiar with the game mechanics is therefore also a lie.

Quote:
And quoting CCP Falcon can't really by "lying" about what he said.
…but the subsequent misrepresentation (aka lie) about what he said can be and was.

Saying that you lie when you lie and saying that you wilfully twist the language when you wilfully twist the language is not abuse. It is just fact.


Au contraire....I firmly believe that 3 optimally fitted and operated bumping machariels can render a freighter unable to warp off. Have you proven the contrary? Merely asserting, and then declaring the other side to by "lying" is not an argument. And I didn't twist the language at all....I think any reasonable person sees CONCORD in high sec as having a quasi-police function.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#3059 - 2014-09-01 19:13:49 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Pointing out problems in the game mechanics and suggesting reasonable improvements is not "negative energy."


It helps to know what you're talking about, not to mention paying close attention to dev posts, if you want to make reasonable suggestions.

Veers Belvar wrote:
The fact that a lot of professional gankers, or their alts, meet such with hysteria and abuse does not make me culpable for the "negative energy."


Hysteria and abuse? You're claiming the sky is green and being told no, it's blue. That's neither hysterical nor abusive.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Solecist Project
#3060 - 2014-09-01 19:13:59 UTC
1. I did not apologise to you. Learn to read who I quoted to.

2. The negative energy in your posts is clearly visible. The fact that you have calmed down
again does not change that. The fact that you do not even know what I am talking about ... neither.

3. Also: obsessive.

(:
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That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia