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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Solecist Project
#3021 - 2014-09-01 18:20:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
Except that CODE is not relevant, that suicide ganking is on an all time low
and that ISK value has nothing to do with actual relevancy.

Even DJEntropy himself says that CODE has no relevancy
and that it's the propaganda machine doing all the work.


You are either a CODE alt, or a victim of the propaganda machine.


Also ... one does not need "name calling" to spread hatred an negativity.
The tone of most of your posts is pretty clear and hints at obsessive behaviour.

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Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#3022 - 2014-09-01 18:20:52 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


None of this answers my stats-based denial of your assertion that Blockade Runners, DSTs and Jump Freighters are useless.

Some of those figures prove that less than 5% of ganks in a class are Advanced cargo vessels.

You can argue this is due to their lower usage.

But considering the market demand I dont think that this is true.
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Market demand? Considering the very small moving quantity for T2 industrials vs the quite high moving quantity of T1, I fail to see where you get the demand from. Since there is a strong correlation between demand and moving quantity.

I'd very much argue they are used less considering the low market demand.


If I grant you that, do you grant that demand is low more due to them not being blown up due to the fact they are designed to evade combat than due to them being useless, as the person I was replying to stated?


I can grant you that.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3023 - 2014-09-01 18:21:47 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Still waiting on that link from my guys that shows 1.4 freighters die per day.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=369871&p=48

I live to serve....


Ok so it wasn't a link, prepare to get a lesson.

We are the corp that industrialized ganking. The gank CAT? That is our design. The tactics used for mass ganking of freighters? We came up with it. We have done a lot of homework on this subject so lets get started.

On average around a dozen freighters are killed a day, of these around half happen in high sec. You can then on average half it again to take out all of the freighters that are killed due to war decs, criminal countdowns and even the odd concord kill.

So we have a number ganker per day of around at most 6 mostly 1-3. The current estimate for active freighter trips per day is somewhere between 100,000 and 300,000.

So that is at most a 6 in 100,000 chance of you being suicide ganked statistically speaking. There is a greater chance of you being involved in a car accident than being ganked in your freighter.

Freighter ganking is infact down from last year. Why? Because Freighter pilots have learned for the most part not to stuff 10 billion in the hold like they used to. The days of netting 60-120 billion in a freighter are more or less over. Most keep their cargo down below gank worthy level and are thus, more or less safe.

Freighters are statistically one of the safest ships to be in in all of EVE.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3024 - 2014-09-01 18:23:37 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Angeal MacNova wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


None of this answers my stats-based denial of your assertion that Blockade Runners, DSTs and Jump Freighters are useless.

Some of those figures prove that less than 5% of ganks in a class are Advanced cargo vessels.

You can argue this is due to their lower usage.

But considering the market demand I dont think that this is true.
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Market demand? Considering the very small moving quantity for T2 industrials vs the quite high moving quantity of T1, I fail to see where you get the demand from. Since there is a strong correlation between demand and moving quantity.

I'd very much argue they are used less considering the low market demand.


If I grant you that, do you grant that demand is low more due to them not being blown up due to the fact they are designed to evade combat than due to them being useless, as the person I was replying to stated?


I can grant you that.


Then I respectfully withdraw the suggestion I made erroneously that demand is higher.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3025 - 2014-09-01 18:24:14 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Except that CODE is not relevant, that suicide ganking is on an all time low
and that ISK value has nothing to do with actual relevancy.

Even DJEntropy himself says that CODE has no relevancy
and that it's the propaganda machine doing all the work.


You are either a CODE alt, or a victim of the propaganda machine.


Also ... one does not need "name calling" to spread hatred an negativity.
The tone of most of your posts is pretty clear and hints at obsessive behaviour.


Yawn...still trying to troll. CODE's website says they have a lot of relevency, as does their killboard. And you continue to call me a "CODE alt" despite conclusive evidence to the contrary. Your trolling on trying to get me banned, as you do with everyone who tries to make highsec a better place, is noted. Keep up the good work.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3026 - 2014-09-01 18:24:24 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually you have been throwing most of the abuse around here
Prove it.

Quote:
once you were unable to logically contest my arguments
So it actually never happened, then, since you have no arguments and no facts, only hearsay, ignorance, and misunderstandings — all of which have been addressed and corrected.

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I have always tried to retain a civil discourse, without name calling.
No, that's just another lie on your part. You haven't tried. You started calling people names the instant it was proven that you had no clue what you were talking about and you had no other way of trying (and failing) to stay in the conversation.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3027 - 2014-09-01 18:25:05 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of people join this game for the cooperative PvE aspects
lol they're going to be seriously disappointed, not only is the PvE mediocre it's indirectly, via the market, PvP. I'm mostly a PvE player, believe me it's mediocre unless you deliberately make it challenging by using a downsized ship or running with friends in destroyers.

I mainly do it so that I have isk via selling LP items to dabble in the market, which is most definitely is PvP, brutal PvP at that.

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not to subject themselves to endless suicide ganking by -10 sec status folks looking for tears.
It's not endless, the percentage of people affected by suicide ganking is very small, as is the percentage of the people actually doing the ganking.

As for tears, yours are currently being used by CCP Guard

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3028 - 2014-09-01 18:26:37 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm happy to continue doing so, but your side needs to stop throwing around "moron" and "idiot' every second sentence.


If you are referring to when I said only an idiot ignores the usefulness of BRs, DSTs and JFs and still calls himself a hauler, then I will not recant.

Its pretty much self evident.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3029 - 2014-09-01 18:29:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
EDIT: Nah, that's a poor thing, what I said in this comment, withdrawn, your honour.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3030 - 2014-09-01 18:32:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually you have been throwing most of the abuse around here
Prove it.

Quote:
once you were unable to logically contest my arguments
So it actually never happened, then, since you have no arguments and no facts, only hearsay, ignorance, and misunderstandings — all of which have been addressed and corrected.

Quote:
I have always tried to retain a civil discourse, without name calling.
No, that's just another lie on your part. You haven't tried. You started calling people names the instant it was proven that you had no clue what you were talking about and you had no other way of trying (and failing) to stay in the conversation.


Here is you on page 140 (after your ally already called me an "ankle-biting troll"), attacking me.... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352595&p=140

And accusations of lying on page 142 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352595&p=142


But really, keep abusing people and then trying to get them banned....great strategy.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3031 - 2014-09-01 18:33:19 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of people join this game for the cooperative PvE aspects
lol they're going to be seriously disappointed, not only is the PvE mediocre it's indirectly, via the market, PvP. I'm mostly a PvE player, believe me it's mediocre unless you deliberately make it challenging by using a downsized ship or running with friends in destroyers.

I mainly do it so that I have isk via selling LP items to dabble in the market, which is most definitely is PvP, brutal PvP at that.

Quote:
not to subject themselves to endless suicide ganking by -10 sec status folks looking for tears.
It's not endless, the percentage of people affected by suicide ganking is very small, as is the percentage of the people actually doing the ganking.

As for tears, yours are currently being used by CCP Guard


I actually enjoy the PvE content in the game....it could use some work, but incursions are a lot of fun....and until they get repetitive missions can be pretty good too.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3032 - 2014-09-01 18:34:06 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
EDIT: Nah, that's a poor thing, what I said in this comment, withdrawn, your honour.


Their killboard doesn't lie. The fact that my anti-gank intel channel is basically full of reports on CODE every day doesn't lie.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3033 - 2014-09-01 18:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
Here is you on page 140 (after your ally already called me an "ankle-biting troll"), attacking me.... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352595&p=140
And the abuse is…?

Quote:
And the abuse is…?

Also, I can't help noticing that all of your non-examples take place after you ran out of inventions, hearsay, and lies and started calling me troll for pointing out that everything you said was provably false.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3034 - 2014-09-01 18:38:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Here is you on page 140 (after your ally already called me an "ankle-biting troll"), attacking me.... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352595&p=140
And the abuse is…?

Quote:
And the abuse is…?


False accusations of lying? Attempting (and failing) to mock linguistics skills?

I also note that you were the #4 contributor to CODE in August, Conflict of interest much? http://www.minerbumping.com/

But hey, i guess I'm the CODE alt...will be news to DJ....
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#3035 - 2014-09-01 18:38:34 UTC
So is there a betting line for which banned troll this guy is yet? I got isk burning up my wallet.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3036 - 2014-09-01 18:38:48 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:



Actually you have been throwing most of the abuse around here, once you were unable to logically contest my arguments. I have always tried to retain a civil discourse, without name calling. I'm happy to continue doing so, but your side needs to stop throwing around "moron" and "idiot' every second sentence.

there are no sides here. there's some people

and 'civil discourse' does not really include either ignoring people or calling them trolls when they disagree with you
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#3037 - 2014-09-01 18:40:05 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Here is you on page 140 (after your ally already called me an "ankle-biting troll"), attacking me.... https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=352595&p=140
And the abuse is…?


Wow, Tippia. Do you need everything spelled out for you?

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you act like that? Grow up.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3038 - 2014-09-01 18:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Veers Belvar wrote:
False accusations of lying?
No. You were lying, remember? You said that you were familiar with the mechanics, and then you proved that you weren't. So you were lying about that. You also kept saying that bumping is equivalent to a warp scrambler, when it isn't and had long since been demonstrated to you that it wasn't. So you were lying about that too.

And you are lying right now, when you call it a false accusation. You have been lying since the start, and this is not abuse — it's a simple and long-proven fact.

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Attempting (and failing) to mock linguistics skills?
No. Pointing out that you were wilfully misrepresenting (aka lying) about what CCP Falcon had said.

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I also note that you were the #4 contributor to CODE in August, Conflict of interest much?
Not really, no.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3039 - 2014-09-01 18:42:33 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:



Actually you have been throwing most of the abuse around here, once you were unable to logically contest my arguments. I have always tried to retain a civil discourse, without name calling. I'm happy to continue doing so, but your side needs to stop throwing around "moron" and "idiot' every second sentence.

there are no sides here. there's some people

and 'civil discourse' does not really include either ignoring people or calling them trolls when they disagree with you


Scroll back earlier in the thread and see who started accusing people of being trolls....just saying. And there are obviously strongly divergent viewpoints here. There are people like me (and the OP), who think that suicide ganking, in its current form, is a problem that needs to be fixed, and there are others (who like to call people names and accuse them of trolling) who think that the current manifestation of suicide ganking is great.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#3040 - 2014-09-01 18:43:07 UTC
Everyone who suggests that Veers is a New Order member or even a CODE. member gets completely removed from my Xmas presents list! And don't start to cry now, you knew it was a kick into the nuts when you wrote it!