EVE General Discussion

No. You sat in Uedama and saw someone fail at something that isn't particularly hard, probably because they didn't put that much effort into it or because they were doing it wrong.

His (and your) incompetence does not equate to it being 100% impossible — it just means the two of you were pretty bad. In particular, you didn't actually help in trying to warp off, by the sound of it. People with actual experience, on both sides of the fence, have proven that your claim is a lie.

You haven't provided a single true or factual statement yet. In fact, your constant lies so far makes this latest claim of yours highly suspect as well. Previously, you claimed that you have no personal experience — now, all of a sudden, you do…

When and where has CCP said that 3 optimally fitted bumping Machariels cannot prevent a freighter from warping off? Please supply a link - thanks.

Reference this post (damn this thread moves fast)
I'm not confused at all, by now everybody is aware that you think bumping is something that should be looked at with regards as to what you see as the lack of a counter to continued bumping, you've posted your opinion in enough threads.

You believe that a problem exists, you have an idea that may fix it, Features and Ideas is the place for that idea to be discussed; hence the Ideas in its name.

GD is not the wisest place to discuss your idea.

Firstly, while I have dabbled in the art in the past I'm not a suicide ganker, not by any means. I am somewhat of a bear, I mission, I mine, I do 95% of the stuff that the carebears do.

Secondly, you're not familiar with the mechanic, you don't know what the counters are for a start. Everything in Eve, except Concord, has a counter, even if it's bring friends. Your playing with the same tool-set as the gankers, you just choose not to use the tools that they do, one of which is friends.

Advising you to know your stuff if you want to discuss it wasn't a put-down it was good advice. There's people on these forums, some of whom you're trying, and failing miserably, to knock points off; that know far more about game mechanics than you, or 80% of other players including myself, for that matter, will ever know.

If you feel that I personally attacked you, feel free to report the offending forum post, the ISD team will deal with it accordingly probably when they get to work.

You go right ahead and keep believing.

Which bears no relevence to to the fact that in this thread (please go back to the first post!) it is being pointed out that the frequency of freighter ganking has been markably increasing, and part of the increase is due to exploiting bumping to pin gank victims down between waves of ganks. Your posts do nothing to address whether a freighter can escape bumping by 3 optimally fitted Machariels. You simply continue to assert that it is possible, despite all indications being to the contrary.

So what you're saying is that your entire line of complaint is off-topic, then. And yet, only a couple of posts ago, you tried to argue that this stuff is relevant to the thread.

Which one is it? Make up your mind.

…and each time someone suggests that, it has been pointed out that there is no evidence at all of this actually happening.

What exploit?

Yes it does. You are just so fundamentally clueless and incognisant about the mechanics involved that you even fail to spot the very clear connection between your false claim and my proof that you are both 100% wrong and 100% uninformed. If you had even the slightest insight into the topic you're whining about, you would see it it too, but you don't so you haven't.

Do you have any kind of evidence or argument to support this stance and that bucket of claims — a stance that even the game developers themselves say are incorrect, and claims that no-one has ever been able to prove?

Really doesn't matter if it's 3 optimally fit Machs doing the bumping, or one badly equipped newb ship. The entire idea of bumping has been declared legit by CCP, with the exclusion of bumping use solely to harass someone.

There's no "Unless you're really good at it" clause.


Before we get into "Well it's harassment"...CCP hasn't come out with a specific definition of exactly where "bumping to harass" sits, but what has been learned says it takes a helluva lot to meet that definition. To actually have a reasonable case, you'd need to show proof that the bumper's sole motivation is to impede your play, and that you've taken drastic steps to avoid the bumping. Stuff like "Flying a few regions away" and "Logging off for a few hours".

Bumping someone through a failed gank while waiting on GCC isn't harassment. You have 15 full minutes to countergank the bumper/organize a defense fleet/outmaneuver the bumpers and escape.

Never chalk up to malice what you can chalk up to human stupidity.

I notice you left out your "100% inescapable" lie this time. Finally given up on that nonsense?

Not a lie at all, you are the master of lies in this thread. I contend, and would wager significant isk on it, that 3 optimally fit bumping Macherials can, starting from random position for the freighter, make it IMPOSSIBLE for the freighter to warp off for a 15 minute period, even assuming an optimal response by the freighter. I don't think the 2 of us can prove it conclusively either way (although I am fairly certain that I am right). CCP Devs - can you give input on this?

And maybe your bumpers were doing it wrong?